Israel passes 'Nation State' law enshrining Jewish supremacy

you said the Middle East, not just Palestine.

 

In 1920, the majority of the approximately 750,000 people in this multi-ethnic region were Arabic-speaking Muslims, including a Bedouin population (estimated at 103,331 at the time of the 1922 census[131] and concentrated in the Beershebaarea and the region south and east of it), as well as Jews (who comprised some 11% of the total) and smaller groups of Druze, Syrians, Sudanese, Somalis, Circassians, Egyptians, Copts, Greeks, and Hejazi Arabs.

• The first census of 1922 showed a population of 757,182, of whom 78% were Muslim, 11% Jewish and 10% Christian.

 

You make some good points here. I'd just add that we in the U.S. are experiencing your lament of "hindering the development of (our) nation for the self-serving interests of a few self serving corporations. . .", under the leadership of a man who is a core member and spokesman for those self-serving hordes.

 

Well, I agree that the U.S. shouldn't blindly support anybody. That said, there are reasons to support Israel -- historical, ethical, and geopolitical.

You may be right. But in my mind, there is a difference between Israel -- which wants to remain a Jewish homeland because of the world's long history of persecuting Jews -- and South Africa, where it was just pure racism, an effort by a white minority to retain absolute power in a black-majority country.

A lot depends on how Israel tries to thread that needle. For instance, I think you could accomplish both goals by Israeli finally writing an actual constitution, with a clause about how Israel will always be the one place where Jews are welcome and can't be discriminated against. Something that gives Jews an explicit place in the makeup of Israel, without giving Jews special rights that make Arabs second-class citizens.

 

every point you made could be reversed and applied to Palestinians or any number of peoples who have been persecuted, even within the USA...you can't have one "special" rules for Jews and ignore every other ethnic group let alone disadvantage another group to make these "special" rules come to fruition, that's just not ethical/morally right...

 

I essentially agree, hence me writing "without giving Jews special rights."

However, I'm sympathetic to providing refuges for persecuted groups. I understand why, given their history, Jews prefer a homeland they control, rather than depending on the good will of others. "Depending on the good will of others" hasn't worked out so well for them over the centuries.

 

and the US launched massacres and pogroms on native americans and mexican, where is the noble american righteousness to correct those historical wrongs, is the US going to return those territories back to the natives and Mexicans?...you're picking sides and closing your eyes to past transgressions where and when it suits you, when did it become okay to dispossess people of their homes and lands....is it any wonder why the US is held in such contempt by the muslim world...

 

i totally support giving Oklahoma to the Native Americans.

and reperations for Native Americans.

 

Not in Palestine.

 

then I ask where is the homeland for the Roma? they've been persecuted for as long as the Jews and were also targeted by Hitlers final solution...this story has been repeated many times by many ethnic or religious group Jews have made seem it's only they who have been persecuted for centuries...that was always the way of world, it's not unique to jews, you're witnessing that same illness now in the USA, blame muslims, mexicans or coloureds for every ill of society...it wasn't long ago the US had it's own pogroms targeting coloured people

 

Maybe they don't want Oklahoma. It wasn't exactly their first choice.

 

Not that I agree with what israel did, but you have a weak case if that's all you got.

 

hey that's generous!...not, considering they had the entire continent...you'd need to give every tribal/ethnic group their own country...how would you feel about persecuted Rohingya flooding into Jew Jersey or Florida then claiming special rights and nationhood backed by China, India and Russia that put them into control and americans confined to reserves/bantustans forever stateless and minimal human rights...walk a mile in someone else's shoes I think is how it goes...

 

the only way this permanent conflict ends is when Jews face reality and a one state solution, Israel has made a two state solution impossible and it cannot hold Palestinians in permanent subjugation and stateless...

 

Your evidence for the 1m is what? Yes, there were something like 400k Jews in the Ottoman Empire by the end of the 19th Century. Where do yo get your 1m?

 

Yes.... Israel is already overrun by jews.... which is why they require lebensraum on the West Bank.

 

You're talking about Palestine. The claim (dubious, IMO) was the ME Jews were asking for a slice of Palestine. In fact, Zionism was a European/American movement.

 

Fair point on the Roma. I don't think the Roma have suffered nearly as many pogroms and massacres as the Jews have, but they were/are clearly discriminated against in a similar way for much of history.

I guess the difference is that the Roma have never banded together and asked for a homeland, or essentially bought one the way Israel did.

 

I would say the Nazi extermination camps qualify then as persecuted, this isn't a contest of who was persecuted longer or worse, dead is dead...
the Roma have lived on the fringes of society for centuries and persecuted for just as long and they're still persecuted in eastern europe today...

 

cause around 800,000 Jews from the Middle East moved to Israel right after 1948.

 

Now I'll take the part of the devil's advocate:

In the last century, there was a lot of ethnic cleansing and a lot of population exchanges. It started with the Balkan wars before WWI as nations tried to establish new boundaries; and then came the mass genocides and exchange of populations during and after WWI. This continued with the millions of displaced people in Eastern Europe after WWII as new boundaries were being drawn.

Afterwards there was the 'crystalnacht' in Istanbul, when 350 thousand Greeks were forced to leave. In addition to all this and thanks to Kissinger, there was the invasion by Turkey of Cyprus when 250 thousand Greeks were thrown into refugee camps. When Washington decided to break up Yugoslavia, Croatia with the support of Germany, threw 250 thousand Serbs into camps. Shortly afterwards, when Washington decided to support the Albanian KLA terrorists, another 200 thousand Serbs ended up in camps.

There are other examples of course, but as you can see, the Palestinians aren't the only people forced off their land. Unlike the Palestinians though, these people were able to get on with their lives. So what gives with them?

 

And what about the Native Americans who are filthy rich from oil and gambling casinos, shouldn't they be paying taxes like all the rest of us folks?

 

What gives with the Palestinians is there is a country in the world called Greece,there is a country called Serbia,DO YOU SEE ANY COUNTRY CALLED PALESTINE ON A WORLD MAP TODAY?????

 

Gee .... where did it go?

 

I am not sure your '47 map is correct.
The map I am familiar shows less of the Negev and coast line for Israel.


Meanwhile
1) There is a Palestinian State, it's called Jordan. Same people. Not Syrian nor Egyptian.
2) Don't try push Israel into the sea and no land is lost.
3) No Blue Helmet ever defended Israel's right to exist. How strange is that considering the UN created Israel.
4) And Who controlled those green areas from '49 to '67? Where is "Palestine"?