More Americans are forced to "reside" in their vehicles

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  1. gamewell45

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    Hey. whatever floats your boat right?
     
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    Spur Texas lots are 500 bucks and accepts tiny homes. Thinking of moving there.
     
  3. DivineComedy

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    And if you did buy that lot you probably could not live in your car on it or build a tiny house. The point here is, that "liberal" I was responding to wasn't complaining about housing rights when James Bovard had a section on zoning in his book "Lost Rights," he has never tried to build a 650 Square Foot house and be denied by zoning, or tried to build an 800 Square Foot house like the two across the street and been turned down by Democrats again, or dug a foundation, cut his own floor joists, cut his own rafters, or done squat but run his mouth on stuff he knows nothing about. Democrats in this country created zoning laws on house sizes, especially in the South to keep blacks out, that is an irrefutable fact.
     
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    There is a list online for tiny house areas. Back in the 70's I went to stay in lawn shed, on a small lot, my aunt had near the beach, the toilet was exposed outside with an "L" shaped blind, you can't do that anymore.
     
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    Not according to the return Madcow had on her show.

    Trump paid a higher rate than Obama, Hillary, and Commie Bernie. But don't let facts get in your way.
     
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    Yes, there are zoning restrictions like that in SF, and SF is run by libs.

    You are obviously clueless.
     
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    CEPR? Hahahahahaha. The folks who supported Chavez and his economic model? The ACA?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Economic_and_Policy_Research

    They made a computer model? Hilarious.
     
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    Should the federal government prohibit urban growth boundaries?

    Should the federal government dictate zoning laws?

    Here's a solution: For every business that fails, it's land gets re-zoned to residential. Problem solved...
     
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    Zoning laws won't explicitly address the absurdly bloated cost of homes in the US, however.

    The issue here is you've got too many people with homes that are overvalued and devaluing them destroys the wealth of those americans that own them.

    Solution? Increase wages. Drastically. We need controls on what top earners are paid, and more even distribution at the lower end. More consumers with more money boosts the economy; not less people with drastically more money to spend, which they don't spend, they horde.
     
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    You have his Tax returns? Quick call Rachel Mancow.
     
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    In the USA, it doesn't work that way. Here, our national government has very little control over local governments.
     
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    C'mon man!

    Increasing available housing units, while at the same time reducing the number of businesses that attract people, will absolutely effect lower housing prices.

    Giving people more money, to pay more for housing, is guaranteed to add to the price increases.
     
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    Look at me residing in my vehicle for my 3rd vacation this year. My poor family. Thanks Trump. 20180728_094646.jpg 20180731_180348.jpg
     
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    More housing doesn't build wealth, however. Renting does nothing to establish wealth for the majority of people who rent, actually, for none of them. The goal should be wealth accumulation, not housing. Housing will make sure people have a roof - but the rent goes right into building wealth for someone else.

    I personally am not keen on building someone else's wealth, and would rather build my own. Land ownership is a major component of wealth building.
     
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    PA is just as bad.
     
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    Did folks actually read the article and the places it specifically cites?

    I am a comfortable middle class single guy with a good paying job with a decent amount of disposable income seeing how I am single and make more money than the average middle class family of 4 has.

    I couldn't afford to live in San Francisco....Or LA....At least not anywhere near as comfortably as I do now. If I took my current home and moved it to San Francisco then my rent would increase 4x, literally.

    I don't know how anybody can afford to even live in these places unless you are pulling in well over 6 figures. The cost of living in these places is absolutely ridiculous. I'm talking $5000 a month for rent for a moderate 3 bedroom home to raise a family in.

    Who the hell can afford that? Or better question is why the hell would anybody PAY that? Some folks just love the city I guess. You can move somewhere else and take a 50% pay cut and still live twice as well as you do in a city like that...To each their own I suppose.

    This isn't Obama or Trump's fault. This is a city's fault. Nobody is forcing anybody to live there, move.
     
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    I don't see how this is related to the lack of affordable housing. Where is the connection that I am missing?
     
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    Because I am not talking about affordable "housing", but am discussing affordable home ownership. The issue with home ownership is twofold; absurdly bloated cost of ownership for no real reason. The second is deflated wages that have not kept up with inflation.
     
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    Home ownership is a component of housing. One can also buy a condominium style of housing unit. Condos are the only practical type of purchased housing in high population density areas.

    Renting vs. owning, is a lifestyle choice. For example, I wanted to live in downtown Portland. I chose to rent, as opposed to being saddled with the responsibilities of ownership. Once I decided to buy, I moved out of the city. My house payment, today, is $200 less, per month, than my rent was fifteen years ago.

    I am still unable to understand how giving more people, more money, to pay higher prices, for a fixed supply, will enable more people to buy housing.
     
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    The workers in Sillycon Valley aren't the only workers who have lived in vehicles. I can remember welders on various jobs who traveled the country for the best pay, living in their vans in the parking lot, then moving on to the next job and the next parking lot. They said the bank account grew real fast.
     
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    Well, what is the solution to property prices? Reducing them? I guess if you make more, the price will decrease- maybe, but I doubt it. I've seen this in my local area. Condos open up, the base price is absurd, prices in the area don't budge, except constantly inflate.
     
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    What about my solution?

    If closed businesses are re-zoned as residential, new businesses will be forced to locate in less dense areas. This will automatically reduce the demand for housing in that area, while simultaneously creating more supply.
     
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    It really is amazing to see all the homeless. Are not most of these cities the bastion of freedom to do what you want? Are these not the cities that give sanctuary to any illegals? Are these not the cities that stop the police from removing them from the streets and parks? Are these not the cities that supply free needles to dope addicts so that they can feel good about themselves? Are these not the cities that would rather let the homeless throw there trash and let them use the streets for open bathrooms than supply them with any sanitary outlets?

    Your compassion for the homeless is a sham. Liberal cities bring all this on themselves but have no idea how to deal with the problem and then get angry when the Federal government doesn’t foot the bill. What is amazing to me is these cities are run by Democrats and the political money is democrat. If you guys cannot take care of your son why do you want the rest of the nation to be under your control?
     
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    How do you get the zoning laws changed to automatically re-zone to residential?
     

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