Charlottesville

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    They know they're not taking the Senate or the House, so what do they have to lose? More seats.
     
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    The night protest pictured in the OP was estimated at 150 people total on the RW side, putting the lie to "large number of white racists" right off the bat. That 150 included diverse groups of everything from Virginia historical preservationists to First Amendment advocates to Civil War reenactors to "Pepe meme Kekistanis" from the net. Some indeterminate but smaller subset of those who attended were white nationalist groups, people who believe in a white racial identity, but not in white supremacy.

    Very few of those 150 were "white supremacists, KKK and Neo Nazis" despite fervent, repetitive efforts of the Complex and the black grievance industry to portray them as such. Sorry about the facts, but facts they are. Get honest or don't, your choice, but the facts of this event are readily available. When people see "white supremacist rally" and then take all of one minute to find out the truth, it's bad, very bad for your side and your credibility. Same for dozens of other dishonest LW narratives posted and reposted every day on this forum.

    The efficacy of the disgusting tactic of division and seeking political advantage by means of race-baiting is -over-. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.
     
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    Bullcrap, you are just trolling the same old "nazi" crap that vomits forth from people that just can seem to get over their tragic landslide election losses.
    Posting a year old photo of a few clowns who obviously had a permit, who the hell cares. There are nuts on both sides and your constant stirring the pot with innuendos and them claiming "you can draw your own conclusions" is exactly what is currently wrong with America.Your time would be much better spent getting the homeless out to vote.
     
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    I proved your point false and there is no white supremacist here.

    Your accusation is a cowardly one and dishonest.

    There was no invasion period. This is a free nation and people may go where they like and express what they like.

    There were good and bad people on both sides proving trump correct and you have been proven wrong.
     
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    I would say antifa is responsible for the violence if they had just stayed the f*** home that day there would have been no violence we probably wouldn't even be talking about it Charlottesville would just to be some arbitrary destination.
     
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    Do liberals know that the organizer of the Charlottesville rally was an Occupy Wall Street idiot who voted for Obama? LOL!
     
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    So has Charlottesville removed the statue of Robert E. Lee yet. And when are they going to raise up the new Lenin statue? And do not forget to post the new signs forbidding entry into Charlottesville without permit, unless of course, you are an illegal immigrant, Muslim radical jihadist, a declared Democrat Socialist, or are a member of ANTIFA.
     
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  8. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump's white supremacists are popping up all over the place. Good, they help prove my point. I love it.
     
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    Denial, especially in the face of a photo and a video, is not a wise course of action. Of course, considering what did happen, including the murder of a woman by a white supremacist, and what Trump said about such "fine people," I have no idea what a wise course of action would be.

    This is a first. No one has ever denied that this happened. You get a "D" for originality. The "D" is for surreal denial.
     
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    Are you still confused? Or, are you just pretending to be confused?
     
  11. Sanskrit

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    Prior posts neither addressed nor refuted. This thread is done, stick a fork. Next time start with an honest OP source and maybe it won't implode as fast as this one did. And spare the "no one has ever denied this happened" obtuseness and distortion, you aren't fooling anyone with it.

    The shame is that events such as what happened in Charlottesville need to be discussed in an honest, straightforward way so that they can be prevented. So long as leftists push out all the layers of unnecessary horseshit that they do around such events, that kind of rational discussion is impossible.
     
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    I have no idea what "U of V" is
     
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    You might have a case except for the fact that the torch wielding demonstrator's chant - "THE JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!" That makes this about something other than confederate statues. To argue otherwise is to insult one's intelligence.
     
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    And again, the same purposeful, dishonest error. No one has denied that white supremcists or jew haters or whomever were at that rally. What is at issue is how many as a % and is it fair to automatically label any RW male group protests as "white supremacist rallies?" MSM and the LW sewer pipe will report any chanting as actions of the whole.

    As an example from the other side. There are "symbolic castrations" and other "male hating" chants, signs and content at EVERY women's march engaged in by -SOME- attendees. Yet those are never characterized NEVER CHARACTERIZED as "anti male" events or "male hating" events by "anti male groups." There are no MSM selectively reporting by fishing out hateful displays, instead they concentrate almost wholly on the celebrity presence to give more of an air of credibility. This is dishonest one way and it's dishonest the other.

    These RW demonstrations are the exact same. A small % of attendees are white supremacists, KKK and Neo Nazis, a vast majority are others with no racial content or animus whatsoever. Yet those rallies are constantly and dishonestly characterized as "white supremacist" events or rallies. It's time for that bald-faced lie to end.
     
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    You have changed your story so many times, it is obvious you are making all this up as you go along.

    Prove it.

    Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,[44] The Right Stuff,[45] the National Policy Institute,[46] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[43] the neo-Confederate League of the South,[43] the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party,[47] Vanguard America,[47] and the National Socialist Movement.[43] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan (specifically the Loyal White Knights branch) ,[15] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[47] Identity Evropa,[48] the Rise Above Movement,[49][50] the American Guard,[13] the Detroit Right Wings,[51] True Cascadia,[52] the Canadian-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers,[53] and Anti-Communist Action.[13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#Protesters

    The event became a kind of Woodstock for the far-right. White nationalists and neo-Nazis made plans to travel from around the nation to attend and see movement luminaries such as Richard Spencer, who were proud supporters of the president's candidacy in 2016 in large part due to his immigration agenda. The night before the main demonstration, scores of white nationalists drew condemnation as they marched through the empty University of Virginia campus bearing tiki torches and chanting, "Blood and soil!" — an old Nazi slogan — "You will not replace us!" and "White lives matter!" http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...white-nationalists-rally-20170812-story.html#

    That was funny. You are the one who is looking a little silly right now, but it doesn't end there.

    Now you are changing your story as the facts supporting the OP come out.

    You did.

    No kidding. Didn't I bring this tragedy to light in the OP you just ridiculed? At least three people were killed and 35 injured after a violence-filled protest in Charlottesville, Va., where white nationalists had gathered for one of their largest rallies in at least a decade, only to see their event end in chaos and national controversy. http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...white-nationalists-rally-20170812-story.html#

    That 150 included diverse groups of everything from Virginia historical preservationists to First Amendment advocates to Civil War reenactors. :roflol::roll:

    Which white supremacist group do you belong to?
     
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    "That was different! You just don't get it!" bleat the pathetic and craven.


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  17. Sanskrit

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    Empty BS, not surprised.

    You never met your burden to prove the LIE of omission you posted that the people in the picture were "white supremacists, neo Nazis and KKK." It is a LIE because a vast majority of people at the rally were not there for any kind of racial demonstration, and the subset who were are mostly white nationalists, few true white supremacists. Trying to lump them all together as white supremacists, KKK and Neo Nazis is a LIE. So evidence your claim or retract it.

    The LW practice of labeling opposition as racists due to their being whatever amount of actual racists at RW demonstrations is worn thin and worn out. Find a new filthy lie narrative bone to chew on and repeat.

    Any adult with a brain can find the truth in under a minute:

    "On the evening of Friday, August 11, a group of white nationalists—variously numbered from "dozens"[105] to "about 250""

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

    And OF COURSE you list only the race content groups in attendance, why would I expect otherwise? There were historical Civil War groups, Charlottesville and Virginia historians, internet Kekistanis of the alt-light, First Amendment Advocates, militias with no race content whatsoever, Proud Boys, and many others with no group affiliation, just normal people who did not want the statue removed and the park renamed. But even so, several of the racial groups you list are -not- white supremacists, but white nationalists and other white culture preservation groups, not surprised at that dishonesty either.

    You started this thread with a picture and a lie of omission. "This is a group of white supremacists, members of KKK, and neo-Nazis" in favor of an accurate statement such as, "This is a group of people protesting the removal of Lee statutes and renaming a park, some of whom are white supremacists, members of the KKK and neo Nazis." You had the choice to post an honest statement of fact and chose an inflammatory lie instead. What does that say about you and your character?

    I never denied that the demonstration took place, that's another falsehood on your part, which the written record of the thread evidences and you are now desperately doubling down on. Or rather cite it my denial that the event took place... or retract your claim that I posted that. You won't do that, and will instead go off on some other obtuse, dishonest tangent.

    And there it is folks. The rotten truth about the vile, disgusting American Left, exactly the kind of race-baiting and labeling that people of all creeds and colors are revolting and rebelling against, whether that backlash involves racial content or not. I don't belong to any groups other than local charities in my small city, none have any racial content whatsoever, but the pervasive dishonesty of the Left and the constant vilification of white males in LW Complex-Media culture could very well change my mind on that one day. If people like me ever get fed up enough to participate in white identity politics, then there will be something real and unfortunate to worry about in this country on the race front. I hope that day never comes for the country's sake.
     
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    Some people resent the fact that when they lay down with dogs they get dogshit all over themselves.


    Seems some people think "nice people" march with tiki torches and chant "blood and soil" and "jews will not replace us".

    The vast majority of people think otherwise.
     
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    Pretty bloody obvious what they were on about. I just don't understand the hate for others.
     
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    Since you are digging up old news, were you this mad when racist and bigoted people like La Raza and Black Panthers endorsed your boy Obama?
     
  21. Sanskrit

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    Dealt with prior, nonresponsive. You have not and can't prove that the picture in the OP is accurately described as a picture of white supremacists, Nazis and KKK. It is a picture of -people-, all kinds of people with all kinds of non-racial motivations, with some race-based groups, and an even smaller subset of white supremacists, Nazis and KKK, protesting removal of a statue and renaming a park.

    Remember folks, ALWAYS have a WRITTEN RECORD of ANY discussion attempted with a leftist. As far as what "group" you're a member of, I'm guessing "paid shills" who don't disclose that they are being paid to post and spam the forum with dishonest dreck like this thread. Am I right?
     
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    You can't really expect white supremacists to be successful in hiding behind ever changing names.

    In the end, they can spell "white supremacist" in any way they want. They have that freedom!
     
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    There were no Nazis in Charlottesville tipoday, so antifa went after the police.
     
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    This reminds me of the resistance to the Martin Luther King rallies held long ago. Yup, because a group of blacks is upset, fine to honor them and praise them. Honor whites and you become scum to those living in Portland.
     
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    One year ago, heavily armed far right extremists invaded Charlottesville. The event became a kind of Woodstock for the far-right. Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,[44] The Right Stuff,[45] the National Policy Institute,[46] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[43] the neo-Confederate League of the South,[43] the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party,[47] Vanguard America,[47] and the National Socialist Movement.[43] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan (specifically the Loyal White Knights branch) ,[15] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[47] Identity Evropa,[48] the Rise Above Movement,[49][50] the American Guard,[13] the Detroit Right Wings,[51] True Cascadia,[52] the Canadian-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers,[53] and Anti-Communist Action.

    At least three people were killed and 35 injured after a violence-filled protest in Charlottesville, Va., where white nationalists had gathered for one of their largest rallies in at least a decade, only to see their event end in chaos and national controversy.

    We should never forget what our President said about this sad event in our history. First, Trump blamed all sides for the violence in Charlottesville despite the invasion of heavily armed protesters. That earned him the scorn of his party's leadership.

    So, Trump changed his mind. Two days later he declared the opposite. "Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump told reporters at the White House on Monday.

    But this is Trump. He can't stand peace, tranquility, and everyone agreeing with another. He thrives on controversy, and controversy based on bigotry and xenophobia is the best of all. The following day he took back everything he said and reverted to his first statement which blamed everyone despite the fact that the town underwent an invasion of armed intruders.

    He told reporters he really didn't mean what he said Monday. He meant what he said on Saturday. That all sides were to blame for the carnage in Charlottesville despite the fact that most of the counter protesters were like Heather Heyer who was killed by a white supremacist. They were the home folks. They lived in Charlottesville and they resented the armed invasion of bigoted intruders.. Trump blamed them anyway.

    "I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it," Trump said. "You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent," he added. "No one wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now: You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit (the townspeople defending their homes) and they were very, very violent.”

    So, in Trump's view, the townspeople who were defending their city are as guilty as the heavily armed neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists.

    “You also had some very fine people on both sides,” Trump said.

    Those statements should never be forgotten. As these very same right wing extremists are protesting within spitting distance of the White House, Trump is saying very little. A year later, Trump now says this. "I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!"

    There is a lesson in politics. You can't unring a bell!
     

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