Charlottesville

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very well said. Not one sign of being a bigot. Those against Trump are truly bigots.
    Why are they bigots. They did not wait for Trump to perform any official duty, they lined up against him purely on rather shallow and hateful biases. They attacked him his very first day in office. And all he had done was get sworn in.

     
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    Not everyone who wants to support our border is a racist. Yes, there are racists that don't want any none Whites in here and supports a protective border. But to insinuate they are one and the same is ludicrous.Or to think that just because the two support the same thing makes them alike is ludicrous too. Just because you support one of the same things doesn't make you sympathetic to their main cause.
     
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    BS is BS.
     
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    My posts here aren't for you. These sites have thousands of lurkers, and I should get out and do real activism, but this is all I have time for atm. So making LW look like dishonest fools in front of thousands of lurkers is it for now.
     
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    The documented LW Democrat Obama voter who organized both "Unite the Right" events is also a known Soros provocateur all the way back to Occupy Wall Street. Richard Spencer is also a Democrat. Don't like that? Tough.

     
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    Yes, I explained it on another thread that you put up, but I'll gladly do it again here.

    No it wasn't just the townspeople there to protect their city. There were many of them and also people there to protest against the neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists. Just as there were locals and others there protesting against removing the statue of Lee. It wasn't all KKK,
    neo-Nazis and white supremacists. This is just what Trump was saying. There were good and bad on both sides. But because he wasn't like a politician and pointed out specifically who he was talking about, many of you had to say and think he was sticking up for the bad guys and condemning the good. To think that there wasn't plenty of locals in that crowd marching against the removal of Lee is absurd. Your in the South and Lee was the most famous person in the Confederacy, looked up to by millions of Southerners. I have no doubt in my mind they were marching right along with the others. No doubt there were people watching, heckling and maybe throwing things at the protesters. Trump was right, there were good and bad on both sides even if you don't want to admit it.
     
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    A near perfect intellectual contortion. thanks for the chuckle.
     
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    So, according to you, it comes down to Trump's failure to communicate. Why do you think only politicians can communicate well? Actually, I think politicians are lousy communicators. Ask them a direct yes or no question and they will equivocate and change the subject. One can't get a straight answer from politicians. That is Trump's problem, too. Often times he is afraid to commit and he wants it both ways.

    That is an assumption on your part. You have no source that tells us the townspeople joined the armed invaders. Actually, that is absurd. You do know that a local resident, Heather Heyer, was murdered by a white supremacist. Please look at the photo and video in the OP. You are saying the townspeople joined this crowd? Boy, that is a stretch.

    Now pay attention to what Trump said. Do you support what he said?
     
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    We all know what kind of a communicator he is. Your assuming that there was no locals in that crowd protesting the removal of that statue of Lee. When we all know there have been protest in every town in the South on the removal of other Confederate statues. But there would be none that came out for General Lee, the most famous of all the Confederate Generals. That sir is a stretch.
     
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    There were "fine people" on both sides of that demonstration and on both sides of the broader issue, as has been developed in the most crystal clear way in the thread. There are ordinary, non racist/Nazi, non Antifa/BLM people on both sides of the debate over removing statues and renaming things. The President was exactly right in his estimation. It is reasonable for people to be on either side of that issue, and the only rotten, disgusting response to that is gross generalizations and lie narratives of the type you and yours engage in.

    Not doing any favors for you at the polls, so please continue to call average Americans who happen to disagree with you "white supremacists, neo Nazis and KKK." Reasonable centrist adults just -love- being called those things and will come a running to your side of the political fence when you do it.
     
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    I didn't know LW your monogram.

    I am not surprised at your lamer explanation using a twist on the ol' "appeal to authority". Get a lot of mileage outta that "Fallacies R US" credit card I see.
     
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    Trump tried to unite. He understands that the way Democrats see things, even hardened convicts in prison can merit over time being part of the good team. Convicts go into prison due to a crime, come out when government decides to remove them from prison.

    But supposedly because Trump said good is in both sides, that makes Trump evil.
     
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    No fallacy, just wishful thinking that anyone cares what I or anyone else posts here.
     
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    Seems everyone knows of his past. It isn't a secret. Of course in your world, one never changes one's political stripes or perspective.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.22de071db539

    And naturally Spencer was a democrat because The American Conservative needed a democrat assistant editor.

    I see your confirmation bias is so strong that you simply accept bullshit if it aligns with your own "feelings", regardless of the facts. Not that you'd even think of verifying anything from such a reliable source as d'souza.
     
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    Once a shill for $$ always a shill for $$. I have no doubt that if someone upped the ante on Soros, Kessler would be marching for PETA, Monsanto, the Sierra Club, the NRA or Anti abortionists tomorrow. He shilled OWS, shilled for CNN and shilled C-ville. If you are gullible enough to believe he just up and changed from liberal Democrat to white supremacist overnight sincerely, well that's your cognitive business. Already read the WAPO article, it's just another cog in the rotten shill wheel.

    Eh, admittedly I don't know what he is, was just tossing that in for effect based on the LW dishonesty on this narrative overall. What he isn't, as D'Souza points out succinctly, is a Republican, a conservative or an adherent of the rule of law.

    D'Souza made factual claims. I found them convincing, especially after I checked other sources, which I have linked in other threads on this topic. If you want to try to insert feelz in there, that's your prerogative also. You'd be wrong, but you are certainly no stranger to that.
     
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    Are you claiming your bullshit don't stink?
     
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    That is hardly the point, and I am not going to debate the issue with you.

    "I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it," Trump said. "You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent," he added. "No one wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now: You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit (the townspeople defending their homes) and they were very, very violent.”

    So, in Trump's view, the townspeople who were defending their city are as guilty as the heavily armed neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists.

    “You also had some very fine people on both sides,” Trump said.

    That is the point.
     
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    Funny, I've read around 250 white supremacists showed up for the night rally, which is a bit more than 150. They showed up chanting "Jews will not replace us" or something along those lines and still stayed and that there is enough to warrant my feelings on this bullshit.
     
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    If people who want a wall were racist, they would want the legal immigration of non Whites stopped, yet you never hear any Trump supporters call for that and we currently allow 1 million legal immigrants a year (or last I heard).
     
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    Well, no surprise there since you refuse to accept the truth.
     
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    1. Already covered. The wiki said "a few dozen to 250." I settled on 150. 2. In any event, that whatever number was all or even mostly "white supremacists" is not the case. There was a diverse group of mostly ordinary people who didn't want the statue removed and park renamed involved in that night protest, already covered in the thread. 3. One or five or even 100 of 150 people chanting or saying something is not the same as the whole chanting, either in the C-ville rally, or in women's marches where a handful of people will be chanting things like "marriage is rape" or "castrate all men."
     
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    The NYT paper from last year said the same thing, so I'm taking its word over yours and it was definitely made up of white supremacists, no matter how badly they try and deny it or how many times its sugarcoated or downplayed. They showed up and stayed knowing full what was going down.
     
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    It is imperative that we confront the hostile foreign power's befouling the US, and it is not limited to helping their tool Trump and hurting his opponent in the 2016 presidential election.

    It is also engaged in other activities calculated to disgrace the USA:
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    Surrendering to Putin is not an option!
     

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