Maybe liberals on the forum can explain this to me and others

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberals claim it is greed for a person that has worked very hard for his money, to keep his money and do with it what he wants. And that includes the fact he may donate much of his money to charity, the ones of his choice. Yet liberals somehow think it is not greed for huge government to take the same mans money.

    The worst part of it is liberals would take that mans money and give it to millions of unelected B'crats in big government that try to dictate every aspect of what every one can do, use, and how to live. IMO liberalism represents the death of freedom.

    Remember Jefferson said-------------the best possible government is the LEAST possible government.
     
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    I agree, I think it was an abomination that tax payers had to pay for your free education through the military. I think hard-working and individualist righties should be more than capable of defending themselves with their superior gun skills and don't need government bureaucrats in the military doing the defending for them. Since the private sector is better at EVERYTHING than the government, they could even pay mercenaries, if they don't want to do the dying themselves, or have their kids die during service.

    Plus, I don't really want to pay for your SS and Medicare either, so let's take that away too. You should be working until you step into your grave, otherwise you are just a burden on society. Just imagine how much better GDP could be if all old folks would either work, or off themselves, like to Inuit used to do, when they become unproductive.
     
  3. Lesh

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    There is a cost for living in a civilized democracy. That cost is best borne by those who receive the most benefit from that society.

    It's sad that people like the OP think that defending the rich and trying to make them even richer does something for them.It doesn't
     
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    Interesting conflicts in the above. First, the idea that there's a "cost". Ok, if there is, why do liberals so willingly work to create an unequal cost for it? Why doesn't the cost remain the same for all? Of course it has to do with siphoning money from the economy to supplement for their own "good deeds" of which they believe they are then entitled. The second sentence then suggests that their little shake down works better because those that "benefit the most", must then pay more for their protection. When folks talk about the left being the "mob", well... they aren't far from the truth.

    You know what's really sad is the idea that those who don't, still feel that they can steal from those who do because they believe that by simply injecting a class warfare mentality to the conversation folks will find them credible.. It is, what it has always been, extortion.
     
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    So you think it’s ‘greedy’ for the govt to take our money and spend it on things like the military, VA, veterans benefits, road and bridge repair, fire and police depts and public transportation?
    Ok, then lay out your plan to fund all those things without taxing the people.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In other words, you believe that those who work smarter and harder should be required to pay for those who do not work harder and smarter. Why should I have to pay for my neighbor who spends most of the day sitting on his a$$?
     
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    Do you think liberals want trump to take their money and build a wall?
     
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    Which liberals are these? I see no proof of your statement with evidence provided. So again you are speculating and making up crap..
     
  9. Lesh

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    What a bunch of nonsense. "IF" there is a cost?

    Right from the beginning of that screed you fail. Of COURSE there is a cost. Only a child would think otherwise. And trying to put that cost on those who can least afford it and get the least benefit from that democracy is the fundamental basis of conservatism.

    Cause ya know...the rich deserve to be as rich as possible ...because...ya know...they're rich!
     
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    Congress gave out income tax cuts and then raised the fees and taxes for imports, fools think they got a reduction in monies paid to the fed govt.. idiots..
     
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    I'm not the kind of "liberal" you're imagining but I can answer your question fairly easily; You're wrong, they don't claim that. :cool:
     
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    And never have. That is the echo chamber lying once again.
     
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    Taxes are not a liberal foundation they are the foundation of every govt. that has existed on the Earth.
     
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    I expect better argumentation from an 8 yo...
     
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    “I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.” ~Thomas Sowell
     
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    Or more likely, they worked for it. I look at my small town. The richest and the most successful are the business owners who spend more time working in their store than their employees.
     
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    Thomas had absolutely zero problems going to college on someone else's money.
     
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    Maybe liberals can explain this totally made up positions I assigned to them!

    C'mon liberals, I am making a totally specious and untrue claim about what you have said and I want you to explain it!
     
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    OK., you stink.
     
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    You are correct there. There are certain things that are an essential function of government obviously. The redistribution of wealth not being one of them. Excessive administration is not one of them either.
     
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    The redistribution of wealth has occurred in every society, normally it flows up to the elite or aristocrats..
     
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    We ain't talking about shop keepers here. We're talking about people with incomes over a quarter million a year.

    Those hard working store owners are not "the most successful" by a long shot
     
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    It's sad that you can't quote a person's comment and resort to mis-characterizing it in a failed attempt to insult that person.
     
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    Communist Utopia.
     
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    Never has to be that way. Corruption is part of human nature. We don't need to relent. A simple tax structure based on a flat percentage with no write offs would go a long way. Complexity makes it easy for corruption.
     
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