Maybe liberals on the forum can explain this to me and others

"Prop up foreign nations"?

We use money to influence events in the world...which is usually a better and cheaper method than war or ignoring problems

I'm not sure that you can point to any "nation that despises us" that is "propped up" by our funding. We certainly prop up Israel...but I wasn't aware that they despise us.

We "propped up" South Vietnam...but that was a long time ago. We give foreign aid to some countries in Africa. I'm not sure if they "despise us" but it keeps those dire situations from getting worse and turning into far bigger problems...

 

Maybe you should stop claiming to know a person until you get to know them...Just positions, what makes a CEO worth 200 times the wages of a worker?

 

What a crock. Please point to regulations that keep us from being competitive. And then let's look at why we have those regulations

Sure...we could "be more competitive" if met packers didn't have to sell meat that wouldn't kill us but....

 

The upper crust delights in our success because it makes them even more successful. We aren't fighting over sllces of the pie. The upper crust knows they can just "grow the pie". Have you ever been paid a living wage by the "lower crust"? I don't need anybody's approval to achieve my goals. Are you a victim?

 

Don't be obsessivly stupid. You have no idea about my wealth or class. And there is no such thing as a cure for cancer. There are hundreds of different cancers.

 

So you have a problem with leaving an inheritance to ones children? I understand with your attitude, if a billion dollars were dumped in your lap.....your family would be mediocre in a few generations. Class envy is your problem.

 

The US has strong environmental regulations that contribute to a lack of competitiveness in the marketplace

 

Not at all, I have run my business for thirty years and still do. I have worked in several fields in corporate America and have seen how they function..Thus my desire to run my own businesses...

 

Do you have any actual evidence that the tich are getting richer by growing the " pie"

 

Technically you are right. I realize that....but you don't recognize the principle that I stated. You seem to take issue with the fact others are more successful than you and you despise the fact while not realizing that they too can contribute to your own success. You prefer to grubble around in your own economic state and scheme as to how you can steal from the wealth of others. That my friend, is not liberty.

 

That is undoubtedly true. Corporate profits would increase if they were allowed to pollute the environment at will. Of course the corporate profits would go to the stockholders but destroying the environment would be a small price to pay for more wealth for the already rich.

 

Two points.

1. Our tax system is not based on the cost to perceived or real benefit government provides. If it was, we would have a budget and do a better job of equating tax liability to benefit. That isnt how we do it. Everybody in this country utilizes the same roads, is protected by the same military, and benefits from an array of federal programs, yet nearly half the country pays zero federal income tax. So this "cost" of living in civilized society must only be witnessed and thus paid for by the top 50% of earners? No. So your statement doesn't work out.

Secondly, you state "the cost is best borne by those who have benefited most". That makes it sound like they were nearly lucky. That's also an incorrect statement. If people where to live on their own away from society, those same people who earn the most would be the ones best suited to sustain themselves alone. In fact, it can be argued that the best suited to sustain are the ones creating and maintaining civilized society for those who otherwise wouldn't be able. Back to my original point, since they are most capable, not from luck but from intelligence and work, they are also financially responsible in your opinion.

Fact is, you desire to create a system where individual success is punished by the burden of responsibility to everybody else. The lowest common denominator of this is redistribution of wealth, even if that means using government to funnel civilized society to everybody on the backs of the upper 50%.

What's sad is the arrogance it takes to not only dictate other peoples responsibility to fund society, but to also criticize their input about the level of responsibility.

It's the same as sticking your hands in my pocket and whispering in my ear "dont fret, this is good for you" when in actuality what you mean is it's good for everybody else.

The alibi of tyrants is always the welfare of society.

Collectivism over individualism. I think you are severely misguided.

 

The evidence is apparent. The wealthy build large enterprises that demand ideas so that they can continue in their growth. You are free to contribute. It only takes the right attitude. Ever watch Shark Tank? Some succeed, some fail, but you can always persit and try again......or do you have something against positive virtue?

 

Sorry but you are making stupid assumptions again because of course you cannot argue fact.

 

The evidence is apparent is of course the answer when you can't actually provide evidence.

 

I was actually laying a trap for your liberal friend Lesh but you came along instead

Oh well

You are not saving the environment if you import dirty products from dirty producers like china which has no environmental controls

Liberal pollution simply takes place offshore instead of here

A better way is to slap a big fat tariff on everything from china and make it profitable for US companies to produce in America once again

 

Completely unsupportable claim that flies in the face of logic.

Are you telling me that poor folks who have lived their whole life hunting and fishing to supplement their food supply (yea...a lot of people still do that) and working with their hands AND their minds...are less capable of doing well outside the confines of society than pampered rich kids that couldn't change a TIRE if their lives depended on it?

Get real

 

Man...Republicans have certainly flipped their script...and they'll say practically anything to defend that.

Now they pretend to care about the environment?

save us the bullshit

 

Middle class and poor folks ought to follow this discussion carefully.

What's actually being said is that your own party wants YOU to pay more taxes so that the rich can "do more". Unfortunately they'll be "doing more" for themselves while you shoulder more of the burden.

It's all over this thread, not even hiding

 

You mistake rich kids for corporate leaders.

Since rich kids become corporate leaders. Most do not.

 

More like we subsist the executives of those companies so they can make record profits without paying their workers living wages.

 

Dont try to change the subject to proceedure instead of substance

As I pointed out (in a slightly different way) if you resist trumps policy of making America great by returning manufacturing from china to the US you are no tree hugger worthy of the name

Because your cheap Made in China iPhone comes at the expense of the environment that you falsely claim to love so much

 

For every one wealthy philanthropist who actually helps people there are a dozen who just do it as a tax dodge.

 

Sorry but I don't think anyone said importing dirty products ftom china would save the environment. Try to stay on topic.

 

You did not read my post carefully enough

Importing cheap products from China is bad of the environment

High MAGA tariffs on chinese products will result in more US jobs and a cleaner environment

Liberals are being hypocritical when they demand cheap products from china