I have always been on the side of the working man and woman

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  1. Adfundum

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    Trump is a power-hungry thug who wants power centralized to a tyrannic degree in the Executive. That the opposite of what you claim most Republicans want.
     
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    I didn't like Obama and Clinton either, but there was no way on earth I was going to vote for Trump. I know a lot of people who really felt like the Party's choice for candidates has been a slap in the face for all those who want the power to choose. But I will not vote for Republican Trumpy-puppets.
     
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    I was heartened with the students in Florida and how they mobilized after the shooting. I know I'll take a lot of flack here for that, but it doesn't change how it made me feel. All these young people standing up for their rights...and they're voting age now!
     
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    I agree they were great
     
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    I agree, it was a historic victory for Democrats. Unfortunately for normal Americans, the whole 'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely' kicked in (especially with the dirty Chicago-type politics practiced by the Obama administration) which resulted in such a dramatic blowback against the Democratic Party.

    I still wish Obama would have had the maturity to work with an opposition congress, as Clinton and Reagan did; good things might have come from it.

    If the Republicans lose the House they will follow the conventional trend that both parties have followed for decades. But even Trump and the current Republicans have not built such disgust among normal Americans as we found when the American people gave such a massive shove off to the Democratic Party in 2010.

    And sadly, as I'm not a big Trump guy, a Democratic House and their obsession with Trump will probably assure his reelection in 2020...
     
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    Yes it was a historic victory for the democrats. Something the gop has not been able to pull off since
     
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    Oh, you must like mean when he bypassed congress and used his executive orders to make new law?

    Or when he invoked executive privilege to protect his attorney general from having to testify in front of congressional oversight committees?

    Yeah, that was pretty wild, that power-hungry thug who wants power centralized to a tyrannic degree in the Executive branch.

    Oops, incorrect, sorry; that was actually Obama, of course.

    Here, educate yourself a bit. And note that even the leftist New York Times was concerned about Obama's overreach.:

    In nearly eight years in office, President Obama has sought to reshape the nation with a sweeping assertion of executive authority and a canon of regulations that have inserted the United States government more deeply into American life.

    Once a presidential candidate with deep misgivings about executive power, Mr. Obama will leave the White House as one of the most prolific authors of major regulations in presidential history.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us/politics/obama-era-legacy-regulation.html?_r=0

    And this:

    It has been less than a month since President-elect Trump shocked the nation by winning the presidency. In that time, those on the left have shifted their sights from expanding big government programs to preserving the legacy left by President Obama — all while worrying about the possibility of executive overreach during the next administration.

    This new-found concern for executive power is ironic given that the Obama administration’s signature move has been aggressively to sidestep the democratic process.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...bamas-curtain-call-a-look-back-on-a-legacy-of

    OK, your turn:

    Show me where Trump has even come close to the abuse Obama displayed for our constitution and balance and form of government in building his corrupt administration...
     
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    You are aware that this is the first midterm election since Trump was elected?

    Umm, did you skip over the part about the 2010 midterms?

    The last time a political party took as many seats from another political party in a midterm election occurred 80 years ago.

    This would be considered historic to even the most partisan Team Blue member, I'd think?

    Info is out there – hint, look at the 1938 midterm – if you wish to educate yourself a bit; if you're too lazy or don't feel comfortable leaving your echo chamber I can provide a link for you.

    The last time a party held a veto proof majority and the presidency occurred during Jimmy Carter, which was only 40 years ago. And we knew how that ended...
     
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    You guys won a filibuster proof Senate? LOL
     
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    If by 'You guys' you mean the Republicans, they last had a filibuster proof senate during the Kennedy administration.

    Do schools teach civics and history any longer? You seem to let your partisanship get in the way of educating yourself about U.S. politics.
     
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    Yeah....you have not had a historic victory since
     
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    Sigh.

    You are aware that this is the first midterm election since Trump was elected?

    If you don't consider kicking more senators and congressmen out of office during any midterm election since 1938 historic, you're simply being disingenuous or are so caught up in Team Blue partisanship that it is probably useless for me to spend any more time with you.

    Good luck in the midterms! It won't be historic, but it should be interesting...
     
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    It is not the first midterm since kennedy. Filibuster proof senate and the presidency gives you complete power. THAT is historic
     
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    He had a "filibuster proof" Senate for like six minutes.

    Put things in context, please.
     
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    Only the gullible believe that the GOP gives a crap about working people.
     
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    At least you will be consistent when it comes to voting against your own best interests.
     
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    The GOP surrendered 40 seats BEFORE the primaries. Incumbents usually win their seats so why did a record number of Republicans run away without even TRYING to hold onto their districts? Note that Speaker Ryan was one of these cowards who refused to even try and keep his seat red for the GOP. That says volumes.
     
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    Obviously you have NOT even bothered to look at where the Dem funding is coming from. Progressives have REFUSED corporate PAC funding and yet are still OUTRAISING the GOP with nothing but small individual donations. The working class is backing the Progressives with their dollars and their votes.
     
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    Yup, and those 18 year old students are out there on social media motivating their peers all around the nation to go out and vote in November.

    I :salute: the stalwart efforts of the Parkland kids to take on the NRA and their cowardly representatives in Congress.
     
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    Am I safe to say that you vote party?
     
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    It was quite historic, more so than when they lost a massive amount of seats in the 2010 midterms. the most since 1938. I'll agree with you here.

    But I think you would agree their 2008 electoral victories were utterly wasted when normal Americans soundly rejected their policies two years later, causing the most lost seats in 82 years. While not as historic as the Dem victory two years earlier, it was the first time in 82 years a political party was so soundly rejected by the American people.

    82 years.

    Why do you think that was?

    This is why I'm pointing out to some of the more extremest leftists that their Trump Derangement Syndrome is keeping them from seeing what is really occurring in normal America; yep, Repubs might lose the House, maybe. But two years of Trump has not come close to causing the outrage normal Americans showed in kicking the Democratic Party out of congress in 2010.

    Take it for what it's worth, been nice talking with you...
     
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    You have not had control of the country the way the democrats did since Kennedy. Clearly the people did not want you to have a filibuster proof senate
     
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    This would be if your self-interests include property rights, keeping your money out of the hands of Fed.gov, the endless identity politics that have invaded our politics, quashing the 1A, the 2A and other parts of the constitution, moving towards a socialist America and more unemployment.
     
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    I think the worst government comes when one party has all three branches locked up. The Reagan and Clinton years were great for our economy as both parties had to work together to accomplish anything.

    It's really a shame that the Obama administration refused to work with an opposition congress as Reagan and Clinton did. But this idealogical zeal among leftists has brought today's Democratic Party to a 2018 midterm election where they are really not going to make much of an impact.

    If normal Americans were as pissed today as they were during Obama's first midterm we'd see a repeat of 2010. But they're not. And we won't. I'm not even sure the repubs will lose the House at this point.

    And you are aware the 60 vote filibuster rule was eliminated by Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid, (the 'Reid Rule, if you will") so reaching the point of 60 senators is no longer necessary to control congress? You keep using that number but it is not that relevant these days...
     
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    Boy the American public must have been really pissed at BUSH to give Obama such a historic victory and CLEAR mandate
     

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