I have always been on the side of the working man and woman

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Dude the Reid rule ONLY applies to judge nominations.....not bills for law
     
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    They were.

    The housing market crash was blamed on him, and many on the right finally recognized that their party was not focused on the principles they were elected under. This is what brought the Tea Party then, much like the Democratic Socialists of America are making such inroads in the Democratic Party today.

    And Obama would have won whoever he faced, the historic election of America's first black president was going to occur. Plus, he campaigned as more of a moderate, I'd think you'd agree.

    But you still haven't indicted why you are dismissing the relatively minor loss of GOP seats that will occur next month compared to the historic loss by the Democrats in 2010.

    Can you explain this? You really don't seem able to...
     
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    Uh....do you have a crystal ball? Has the election happened yet? Remember....Hillary was supposed to win according to the polls. I think you are a little ahead of yourself.


    What is crystal clear is the American public did not want to give the CLEAR MANDATE to Trump that they gave to Obama.

    Of course you agree ….don't you?
     
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    A tree is known by the fruit it bears, and "Antifa" bears fascist fruit.
     
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    So do the GOP
     
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    Only in your imagination.
     
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    And in yours
     
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    Antifa is not an imaginary group, and the GOP is not a fascist political party.
     
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    It is if I say it is.....and I have the same evidence you have. LOL
     
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    Haha you were the one predicting the Repubs losing the house. Our conversation started when I pointed out that yeah, they might lose it, but they won't be rebuked as harshly as Obama and the Democrats were in Obama's first midterm. Which you have, apparently, quite ignored.

    Obama brought a lot of voters to the polls who in the past, rarely voted or showed little interest in the U.S. political system. These low information, low participation voters naturally vote Democrat.

    They haven't turned out since, except for a slight showing in the 2014 election.
     
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    I guess we will have to wait and see. But this much is clear.....the last president to have such a mandate from the people where he had a filibuster proof senate was Obama. That was an overwhelming victory the GOP has not seen in a generation. You can ignore it....But isn't that kind of silly? LOL
     
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    Much of the problem is the idea that there are "sides", that labor and enterprise must always be opposed. It's a deeply entrenched belief- and a self-perpetuating one.

    Labor, or employees if you will, all of them, are a critical component for business and industry. Business knows that, but it also knows that if a business doesn't thrive, the jobs won't do well either. Labor tends to believe that anything more than just surviving as a business is short-changing them. There has always been this "victimhood" view of themselves- yet, while we have allowed workers to unionize and literally practice extortion, we make it criminal for business to talk about prices to each other, to monopolize an industry the way unions wanted to monopolize labor.

    There are two kinds of relationships- and the person and the arrangement is either partner or adversary.
    In a partnership, regardless of the extent or nature of roles- for me to win, my partner must win too.
    In an adversary situation, for me to win- you must lose.

    The nature of employment is a partnership. The business wants to pay people to help it meets it's objectives- and the better an employee does that, the more he is worth.
    IF he acts as a partner with his employer, he will invariably do better than if not.

    NO employer wants to hire adversary thinkers, but in fact a great many employees are just that, and in union situations they literally make a war out of employment.

    Of all the issues a business must face- financing, debt, receivables, overhead, regulations, taxes, competition- none present more difficulty and pose more risk than their employees. The prime reason for that is the extent of adversary mentality. It comes to the point where nobody can go back and say who started it, because many brought it in the door from somewhere else.

    If you want the bet job- BE a partner. If your employer doesn't recognize the value of it, go somewhere else, because there are employers looking for such people everywhere.
    Think of yourself as a person in business for yourself- with one customer, your employer. Then think of how you like to be treated as a customer- what makes you come back to the same restaurant or store, hire the company. Then ask yourself if you would do that if they had the same attitude towards you that you do towards your employer.
     
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    Thank you. I don't trust business to work about labor. As an owner and employer, I know that setting the standards begins with owner/management.
     
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    I'm not ignoring it. As I stated in my previous post:

    Obama brought a lot of voters to the polls who in the past, rarely voted or showed little interest in the U.S. political system. These low information, low participation voters naturally vote Democrat.

    You obviously are simply skimming my posts; twice now I pointed out that Obama wasted his historic victory when he failed to work in a bipartisan manner when the American people kicked his party out of congress. He could have been a Bill Clinton – minus the sex scandal – who had a great legacy among normal Americans instead of being remembered as the idealogical zealot who refused to listen to the American people.

    You keep ignoring – for the fourth time now – my point that the Democrats under Obama in his first midterm were detested far more than the Republicans under Trump; why do you think this is?
     
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    Wasted? We got the ACA which gave health insurance to millions. What has Trump done in a bipartisan way except give tax breaks to millionaires. You are just blinded by your partisanship. Detested? How will you know until the election? Why are you stating as fact something that has not happened yet if at all?

    Its very dishonest
     
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    It does only in your imagination.
     
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    I wonder if you thought I was a Obama fan. I also wonder at the logic behind using Obama to show that Trump is not a thug with dictatorial tendencies because Obama was prolific with his regulations.
     
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    I sort of agree with you, but you take a very friendly attitude towards business and a very dismissive attitude towards labor. That suggests an adversarial relationship and injects "sides" into the equation.

    We tend to think of these things in those big generalities of side vs side. I would draw a big distinction between businesses based on size. The big multi-national corporations are not going to have the same relationship with employees as the person who owns a small business and knows all his employees names. If a business demands loyalty and respect from its employees, that business should give loyalty and respect as well. As the businesses grow and the bean-counters take over, the employees become more of a commodity and the notion of a partnership is just an empty concept.

    I've noticed that people generally tend to either put profit before people, or people before profit. This seems to me one of the core differences between the parties.
     
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    Perhaps it was because of the way he and the Democratic congress rammed Obamacare down the throats of the 50 percent of the people who didn't want it that led to the decimation of their party in 2010?

    "Tax breaks to millionaires" is simply yet another leftist talking point only popular in their echo chamber. Normal Americans are enjoying the extra money in their checks.
     
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    They had a mandate of the people. The people had spoken.

    And they have not spoken in that way about the GOP in a generation
     
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    Trump is every bit the thug that Obama wanted be.

    The people gave Obama and the Dems a mandate to do ACA, a mandate that Bush and Trump never had or have had.
     
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    Of course the GOP is just that.
     
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    You said:

    "Trump is a power-hungry thug who wants power centralized to a tyrannic degree in the Executive. That the opposite of what you claim most Republicans want."

    Not sure what you are, other than someone who doesn't have a sense of recent history.

    I'm not a Trump guy, but he is much more restrained than the corrupt Obama was. I'm still watching Trump and I'm also leery of his turning the executive branch into a basis of evil like Obama did, but he's far from that at this point.

    If you complained here about how evil and corrupt Obama was in previous posts, I apologize...
     
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    And the people threw them out of power.

    Is this a great country, or what?
     
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    Just like they threw the GOP out of power before that in THE MOST HISTORIC POLITICAL VICTORY IN A GENERATION.

    Yeah....it IS a great country
     
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