Breaking - Gunman opens fire during college event at California bar - At Least 12 Dead

Conservatives do want to protect children

But it wont help to federalize local schools

 

Its liberals who want to leave kids unprotected by makimg schools gun free zones

 

Pray tell just how much funding does it realistically cost to include locks on entrances and exits, so that they may be secured against unauthorized access by outside individuals, especially during the periods when class is supposed to be in session?

 

Locks is your solution? I am sure there are already locks on the doors.
Nope, more like airport type security. Metal detectors and all.

 

Considering how many school shootings have been committed by individuals simply walking inside the building after classes have already started, especially while carrying a rifle, it does not appear there are any locks to be had. If they are indeed present, then they are not actually being utilized. Thus indicating the safety of students is not actually taken seriously by the school administration. Otherwise the entrances and exits would actually be secured against this type of breach.

 

How many?

 

All incidents that have been perpetrated by someone entering the learning facility after classes are in session, and while carrying a rifle in plain sight. None of the reports on said incidents indicate entry was forced, indicating the entrances and exits were not physically secured.

 

OK so we will limit magazine size to reduce the carnage from mass shootings. Feel better now?

 

Such a proposal would not actually work. Therefore there is no point in even discussing the merits of the matter.

 

This was done long before this tragedy. California law bans magazines that hold more then 10 rounds. How did it help?

 

That's the same old stupid arguement that if it doesn't prevent every instance it won't prevent any instance.

 

And what are your ideas to reduce gun carnage?

 

Acknowledging that there are no solution to be had for the problem. Not simply no easy solutions, but rather no solutions whatsoever. This problem, however it is defined, is far beyond the scope of what humanity itself is capable of doing to try and address it, because humanity itself is ultimately the problem. There are far too many firearms in the united states for any effort at restricting them to produce any meaningful results, and the culture is far too entrenched in fighting to resist any efforts at restrictions. It is ultimately a hopeless, useless endeavor, with nothing resembling a guarantee that any effort will actually work, no matter how many millions and billions of dollars are thrown at the problem.

Part of being the solution to a problem is recognizing the futility of various proposals, and not contemplating them as if they were legitimate suggestions. There are times when failure is the only option.

 

Then you should have no trouble refuting such a stupid argument by explaining how the law helped. I can't wait!

 

sorry but I don't have to defend you have to justify that you are unwilling to try anything to reduce gun violence.

 

Well that is honest if a bit fatalistic.

 

There are times when the fatalistic approach is all that is had. Something in the united states has changed, that is serving as motivation driving individuals to go out and commit murder against others with reckless disregard for anything resembling the sanctity of life. What it is that has changed is unknown, but it is not the currently availability of firearms, or the current firearms culture. Both have existed in the united states for decades, and were present when mass shootings, spree killings, and murders committed out of simple boredom were almost unheard of. The AR-15, for example, has been available for private citizen ownership for at least fifty four years. Before then it was the M1 carbine that saw widespread use in world war two and the korean war, and yet there were no mass shootings committed with such until relatively recently.

Society itself overall has become quite ill, but the specific details as to why are unknown. Everyone is far more intolerant and prone to shutting down all thought that does not mirror their own limited view of what is acceptable. Focusing on firearms does nothing more than take away available resources from trying to identify and address the real problem, and presents a false sense of security and progress in the matter.

 

Sure we know why. Guns have gone from being a usefull and necessary part of the rural / agrarian life to a being an object of worship and a flawed measure of a man's masculinity and self worth.

 

If you understood what IQ is, you would realize that 170 is a very high IQ.

Your distinction is sophistry. Manufacturers sell their guns through licensed dealers.

 

Not in binary numbers. You do know what that means right. And your claim was that all guns have been registered for fifty years. That is false. I have three guns one of which was purchased through a dealer and is permitted. One was a gift and the other was bought at an auction. Neither has any paper trail whatsoever.

And maybe you should read this:

https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/registration-licensing/

Or this;

https://www.ammoland.com/2010/03/gun-registration-myth-debunked/#axzz5WtDd15zo

 

170 is a very high IQ no matter what number system is used to express it.

Yes. I used to play around with machine language when I was a kid.

Every gun that has passed through the hands of a licensed dealer in the past 50 years has resulted in a Form 4473 being filed.

If they passed through the hands of a licensed dealer at any time in the past 50 years, there is a Form 4473.

Neither link changes the fact that every gun that has passed through the hands of a licensed dealer in the past 50 years has resulted in the filing of a Form 4473.

 

I'd need to see some solid statistics showing these sort of incidents have changed, that there's more of them, more injuries, fatalities, shots, greater caliber used, frequency...

I think you beg the question; is this due to Trump? I suspect your answer is in the affirmative, and I ask again for some statistical substantiation.

That begged question again, what do you think causes this intolerance and tendency to shut down all thought that doesn't mirror their view?

Would ousting the president and banning the NRA solve the problem for you?

 

Except that you statement was that all guns have been registered for fifty years. Are you really so dense that you don't understand the meaning of " all"

And care to try and calculate what 170 means in a base two system or a base three system.

 

Exactly when in the history of the united states did this hypothetical shift occur,?