Breaking - Gunman opens fire during college event at California bar - At Least 12 Dead

I’m not Christian, but it doesn’t hurt to show a little decency. And the actions you would propose are worse than the problem.

 

Why is that? i understand the normal gun nut kneejerk reaction that any action to reduce gun carnage is an anathema but can you actually provide specifics?

And the evidence is conclusive that " hopes and prayers" have done absolutly nothing to reduce gun violence. We are a supposed Christian nation and our rate of gun violence is arguably the highest in the developed world.

 

Are claymore mines, hand grenades, and other high-yield explosive weaponry regularly carried by all military personnel in all deployments? Or are they specialized equipment and only utilized in specific missions where such devices are actually warranted?

 

A fair point for classification. Thus demonstrating that arms and ordnance are not the same thing, even though the two terms are used interchangeable fashion.

The difference between ammunition, and ordnance like claymore mines, however, is that ammunition can be used in a controlled, precise fashion, and does not involve an explosive compound that creates indiscriminate discussion across an entire area.

 

The comment about limiting the tools available to commit carnage.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-least-12-dead.545411/page-27#post-1069861780

It was a motor vehicle that was utilized in a mass killing that has exceeded the death toll of every mass shooting in the united states, including the Las Vegas incident. Thus demonstrating motor vehicles are far deadlier than firearms, and in need of much greater degrees of restriction if saving lives is truly so important.

 

I was one of those troops who came home during the Vietnam War. The stories about massive attacks on us and spitting on us were nothing but urban legends. Most if ant all of those stories were spread by non Veterans. Did it happen in some places ? Sure , could very well have.
I heard stories of returning soldiers being spat on in airports deplaning.

Well the truth is that returning military did not return to civilian airports. We returned on charted airline flights or military planes and landed at military bases. I left for Vietnam on a charted civilian flight but from a military base. McCord AFB Washing State. People who spread Uban Legends of hippie demonstrators on the flight lines are making up s....!
Demonstrators would not be allowed on a military base much less a flight line.

Where there isolated cases of soldiers having things said to them I am sure but not the thousands of cases as rumors have it.

I spoke with a fellow Vet who once ckaimed he was spit on when he came home. I asked him when and where. Once he realized thatvI was one of us Vets he changed his tune. He finally said that nonit did not happen to him directly but he heard it did. So he felt he neede tobreleat that story tonsuport those who were spit on.

You seem how rumors spread and BS stories multiply?

 

Thanks for setting the record straight, and your service. I have heard from some who did engage in this albeit limited behavior towards veterans and it is their biggest regret. It was our leaders not our soldiers who should have been blamed and castigated. My soldiers were drafted or thought they were freedom fighters like their fathers in WW2. They did not really knoe what the situation really was, unwinnable and based upon trying to authenticate our commitment to the French to keep them in NATO while containing Communism.

 

Wrong! It did happen and I even rolled up the window on one of your cohorts heads when eh stuck it inside my car. He squelled like the spitting pig he was.
Also no military plane in the nation ever took returning vets to their home town airports. So that is also wrong.
Vets had no choice in the wars and only cowards would attack them for their majority forced enlistments.

 

When the left cannot provide any arguments to justify their laws, that means that they are unjustifiable. That's a fact, not an opinion.

 

Rather, my reference to actual historical facts proves that you have no way to argue against what I say.

But I respect your choice not to engage the facts that I post. I can debunk your untrue statements without any engagement from your end.

 

Dumb posts like this show the fundamental problem in ths country....as if you have even bothered to survey "the left", or would acknowledge any argument any leftist presented....pure theater, meant only to self soothe and denigrate....

 

Tender feelings and exaggerated grievances are typical of "progressives", but combined with TDS it possibly makes someone dangerous. All mass killers show signs of mental illness and emotional instability. Such people should get help.

 

Sorry your claim was all guns have been registered for fifty years. You have never posted any evidence to support thst claim because of course you can't.

Oh and you made that silly claim in post #677.

 

I acknowledge that leftists have made an argument every time I post counterarguments proving that their claims are untrue.

 

I can support every claim that I've ever made.

Form 4473s have recorded every single sale from a licensed dealer since the Gun Control Act of 1968.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473

Would you care to count how many years there are between 1968 and 2018?

 

Do not ever accuse me or any Veteran here of having "cohorts " who spit at eterans. Your accusation against me is an absolute filth F..}%^*%~<{}%%%ing lie and you know it.

I also said that there probably were some few rare cases that some anti war freaks spat on Veterans but that was the extremely rare case. Stories were were told and retold and most of the times I heard someone tell the spitting story it was a non Veteran. The rumors of spitting did getva life of their one and it just multiplied.

When I returned to college I recall a discussion in some c,ass were two of us were Vets. This girl turned to me and said that she heard thatbwe shot at and killed little Vietnamese kids ( children). She wanted to know how manybI shot. I said 357 but I could have gotten more if I did not get sent home early. She stammere and said thatvwas stupid horrible answer. I told her that it matched her stupid, wrong, and horrible question.

I never said that a military plane took troops to there home towns. I explicitly said that they landed on military bases where demonstrators were not allowed in. You need to stop making up lies about me.

Not all who went into the military felt that they were forced to enlist.

 

The most mass shootings on earth is justifiable.

 

Mass shootings do not justify gun laws that are not intended to prevent mass shootings and are only designed to violate people's rights for no reason.

 

Sure they do. That's why there is this debate.
Why should kids need to worry about dying at school?

 

Claymores in particular, are used in defense.
Put on the perimeter as an early warning device.
They are a weapon. By definition, arms.

You denying the definition of arms, shows you are willingly accepting restrictions to arms civilians can own.

 

As opposed to dying at home, on their way to school, on the way from school, or at any other point during the day? They do not have to be concerned about being kidnapped, or struck by a motor vehicle operated by someone who is distracted by their phone?

 

Perimeter. Thus meaning imprecise and capable of causing widespread, indiscriminate damage to anyone that may happen to wander into the area. They are not the same as firearms, and a connection cannot be made between them.

 

Yes, as opposed to all those things they don't worry about.

 

I agree. But it is a limit to what arms civilians can own. One you are in agreement with.
The constitution isn't limited to just fire arms. It says arms. And doesn't say except for...

 

If these minors are actually dedicating significant periods of time to contemplating the possibility that, at any minute, someone may enter their facility of learning and murder them, then they should do the same for every other location in which they frequent daily. They should be aware of the fact that they can be murdered at any time, at any place, and that there is no such thing as a safe location in which to be in, where the threat of harm does not exist. Such is what constitutes the real world.