Who would be the best candidate for the Dems to put forward for 2020?

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Who would be the best candidate for the Dems to challenge Trump with?

  1. Beto O'Rourke

    10 vote(s)
    31.3%
  2. Sanders

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  3. Booker

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  4. Warren

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  5. Biden

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  6. Other?

    13 vote(s)
    40.6%
  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find it odd that you have such a difficult time answering such easy questions. In fact, not only do you push them away, you deflect much like Hillary did in her debates.

    I take it you are opposed of needless wars and that you support Tulsi's push to get us out of them?

    Don't worry. I do not expect for you to answer such easy questions. I'm just asking for the sake of everyone else being able to see your responses.
     
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  2. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's not forget, for the record...you called Tulsi "Pro war".
     
  3. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Interesting we seem to have a late rally for Warren? But Beto still double her score.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    But what has she ever done? What has she ever accomplished? What is she "comprehensive" about?
    You illustrate the problem the Democrats have, their candidates are all fluff and no substance. It's all about image not policy or leadership or abilities.

    What is a "a historically great President"? Because she is a black woman?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Ironic PROJECTION coming from a BLOTUS supporter given that he has no substance, leadership or policies!
     
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    I didn't support nor voted for him but he does have experience and accomplishment under his belt and certainly has shown leadership and policies.
     
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    Wrong on ALL counts!

    Your beloved BLOTUS had ZERO political experience in elected office and his only "accomplishments" are multiple bankruptcies and running shyster scams. He has NO policies of any substance whatsoever and his "leadership" is only notable by it's complete and utter ABSENCE!

    Your BLOTUS is nothing but a FRAUD that has duped a great many people and still manages to do so!
     
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    I'm confident Beto is a good man, and one with a bright political future. But I think it's passed time for a woman to be elected President, and we have three running now. Let's break another important glass ceiling in 2020 !!!! :)
     
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    I don't think did should matter what genitals a person has.
     
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    1. In my humble opinion, Michelle Obama was the greatest First Lady of my lifetime (& probably yours). As First Lady she went farther in making most Americans feel both pride in their country & happy to be part of something greater than themselves alone. She was both a great public speaker & a visionary on what America represented to the world at large.
    2. I'd say Trump does the best job of illustrating the complete absence of leadership ability of any President in our lifetimes.
    3. In my view, a "great President" is one that does something that makes the daily lives of the majority of Americans better during his/her term of office than they were before. Plus, he/she leaves something positive & new in the way of cultural change, technological advancement, enhanced peace, or some notable creative or artistic achievement. I don't personally regard any leader who imposes his/her will over others by force or via threat, as a "great leader." Lastly, I don't regard anyone as "great" or not great, based on the color of their skin.
     
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    I agree. But history has been overly prejudiced toward one over the other. I simply want to start balancing that out.
     
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    Actually she debased the country with her "This is the first time I have ever been proud of my country" remark and did not more than any other first lady and certainly did not represent our country better with her negative views of our country.

    Quite false, he has gotten LOTS done and he certainly has a history of leading large organizations including on an international scale. What does Michelle have to even come close?

    I've never heard her say anything she would want to do that would make my life better. What is it you think a President is supposed to do to make your life better? Aren't YOU supposed to make your life better. If you're waiting around for a politician to make your life better you gonna be waiting a long time.

    Well that's not the job of a President that is the job of society and the free market.

    Yes the President's TOP priority is our national security. Too bad the Democrats are standing in the way and I can't imagine any of the current announce Democrat candidates being in charge of our national security and being able to handle our country on the world stage.

    What? A president is supposed to have some creative or artistic achievement? What does that have to do with protecting our national security?

    Like when Obama used executive orders to get around the Congress and the Constitution? What has Trump done to impose his will over others by force or via threat?
     
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    Why? Why don't we just ignore the persons gender and race?
     
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    You need a checkbox for "no idea". Personally I'd like to see a progressive and a moderate. Warren and Bloomberg...something like that. But I'm reserving judgement until the race starts to unfold and people start making their case and releasing platform statements. I'll vote for the best Democratic candidate based on whatever the data is. All I know is for sure is that I'll be voting straight Democratic ticket and so will everyone I know in every upcoming election for a long, long, long time.
     
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    Well you can tick 'other'? You're not Pauline Kael are you? The whole point is it's not you and your obviously solidly blue circle the DNC have to win over, they have to win back the blue collar democrats who Hilary ignored and ended up voting for Trump, they have to retake the middle.
     
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    No, they don't!

    The Progressives exposed that as a fallacy by winning WITHOUT the blue collar BLOTUS supporters.
     
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    I'd look to what has worked in the past. Who won and who lost. No names, but perhaps a fresh young face from fly over country. That has worked, Obama, Illinois, Bill Clinton, Arkansas, Jimmy Carter, Georgia. None household names at the time they ran and all fairly young and energetic who exuded enthusiasm. Look at who lost, Hillary Clinton, New York, John Kerry, Massachusetts, Dukakis, Massachusetts. So I would shy away from another Northeastern type liberal. The country as a whole has a hard time going for those. In fact, no Democrat has won from the Northeast since JFK back in 1960 when the Northeast was Rockefeller liberal Republican territory.

    I think a fresh young face from flyover country would guarantee victory over Trump. An old northeastern liberal, you mention a couple, would lower those odds tremendously. Trump is president only because he won the independent vote. Find a candidate that is attractive to independents, Democrats win. After all they are still the larger of the two major parties. Meaning the Republicans whomever they run nationally must win the independent vote or lose the election.

    The one person I'm keeping an eye on is Tammy Duckworth of Illinois. Young, energetic, spunky is a word that comes to mind. A very tactful and honest spunkyness. She's also a war veteran. She'd have my support while most of those you mentioned, even against Trump wouldn't. I have voted third party, against both Trump and Clinton in 2016 and would have no qualms doing so again in 2020. I know I won't be voting for Trump, but will I be voting Democratic, depends on the their candidate. Candidates matter. That is something I hope the Democrats learned from 2016. But I'm not sure about that.
     
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    Everything Trump did during the first half year or so during his term, he did thru Executive Orders. Your post indicates you're happy with Trump & Republican rule, so I encourage you to enjoy it as long as possible.
     
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    I'm all for that, but up until now, it's never been done. The best way to start is to intentionally start balancing it out. Then, as the voters become more accustomed to ignoring gender & race, it will balance out automatically.
     
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    No his tax bill was through legislation along with some or the regulation roll backs. Am I mostly happy with it, yea why shouldn't I be? Would I prefer more fiscal conservative Republicans, yes but I certainly don't see them on the Democrat side can you point them out especially those who are running for the Presidency?
     
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    I've noticed when Democrats are in the White House, Republicans always emphasize the need for fiscal conservatives and lament the high government expenditures. But when Republicans control the White House, Republicans seldom or ever mention fiscal impropriety as an issue. This duplicitous behavior leads me to regard their concerns as insincere and politically motivated.
     
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    They absolutely mention it and do something about it. That's how we had the surpluses in the late 1990's and early 2000's and how the deficit was brought back down to that paltry $161B by 2007 after the 2001 recession. Nothing duplicitous about it. It was the democrats who took it to $1,400B and kept it over $1,000B for the next three with their 10% increase in spending in 2008 followed by 20% in 2009. Further reductions will NOT be found in the Democrat party quite the opposite they are ADVOCATING HUGE spending increases and HUGE increases in the deficits and debt. They only course is electing more fiscal conservative Republicans.
     
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    Who would be the best candidate for the Dems to put forward for 2020?
    While I generally like all those Democrats seeking the nomination for President, I am personally in favor of electing a woman in 2020. I've looked at the four female candidates positions already, and at present find myself leaning toward Kamala Harris as the best choice. Elizabeth Warren is my current second choice, with Gillibrand & Gabbard bringing up distant last choices. I like Sanders & Biden best in the male category, but I'm strongly favoring a female candidate this time.
     
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    Harris seems to be a popular and powerful candidate so far. From what I have seen of her, we could do far worse.
     
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