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Maybe the media really is the enemy

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Le Chef, Jan 22, 2019.

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Yeah they are so weak and powerless in the this area.....I wonder why
     
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    There is no evidence that she ever infiltrated an election campaign. None.

    And she wasn't found guilty in a US courtroom.

    She simply agreed to a plea deal for being an unregistered foreign agent.

    Meanwhile, John Baker admitted under oath this week that the FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page was based on an unverified source and involved direct Russian involvement in an attempt to influence a US election and was paid for by the Clinton campaign.
     
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    And you can live with the fact that the American heartland has woken up and will control the US Senate for quite some time.

    And now there are BLexit, #WalkAway and Turning Point on the move.
     
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    RW Fact check: Yes Butina did, US filings find that she would plead guilty in a US court in Washington.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...tina-pleads-guilty-court-181213160238361.html

    Lets fact check further, while we are on the issue of Russians being arrested and the 2016 campaign. A model from Belarus, Anastasia Vashukevich, was arrested for having evidence of Russian inference.
    http://www.philly.com/news/nation-world/belarusian-model-trump-russia-dossier-20190117.html
     
    Balto, Jan 23, 2019
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    She got the deal because Butina is spilling info on the infiltration of Russian influence into the campaign.

    The Republican senatorial candidates in 2020 will be in the same position their opponents were in 2018.

    The GOP has to get its act right, or 2020 may be a disaster for the reds.
     
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  6. garyd

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    So you want me to repeat it again? It's very difficult to break into a closed system some however do break out.
     
    garyd, Jan 23, 2019
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    Actually I think to say they are the enemy is to say they are no longer the free press. They are a business like any other and they hand pick who is going to speak through that particular media.
     
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  8. Vegas giants

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    Yes it is closed to the right. The left hold all the power in this area. They can even stop the right from building journalism schools.

    The left is very powerful
     
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    Yeah right. What evidence and Russian inference is now a problem???
     
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    The propaganda of the far left media has implanted false concepts of American thinking and has altered the left's ability to critically think.[
     
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    No Your deflection...
     
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    From multiple, independent sources. Which is what more and more people are doing. Which is why corporate establishment media is more and more trying to herd folks away from them with things like NewsGuard.
     
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    "Pardon me while I casually open a bottle of Bud. Mmmmm, good! You know, folks, I like beer even more than Justice Kavanaugh. But that's where the similarity ends. Because I'm for the People."
     
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    Starting to get the drift ... eh.
    It is Purposeful,Unamerican and Unethical.All components included
    in one's Democrat Porta Potty Mouth Kit.
     
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    Why is it that you only selected examples from those media not in favor of Trump? Surely, you're not suggesting that this "bias" in the media only comes from one direction?

    Before jumping on the conspiracy bandwagon, I'd first have to consider that media sources have advertisements on them. That means they're trying to make money, earn profits. Profits come from the number of readers who click on those sites. It makes sense that sensational headlines and stories are going to generate a lot of clicks. We humans are drawn to the outrageous especially if we have strong biases and can see a chance to confirm them by clicking. So, we have media sources making profits by offering a kind of drug to the people.

    The second thing I'd have to consider is what role do I play in this? I'm convinced that I'm intelligent enough to see through the crap; that I can spot fake news from a mile away. Yet, if I'm seeing some grand conspiracy to take over the world through media induced propaganda, why would I assume that the media sources I prefer are not also guilty of the exact same thing? Shouldn't I be questioning my own judgment?

    We need to think critically, yet we certainly don't seem to do so. If we've divided the world up into the 'us vs them' binary, we aren't thinking critically. If we are absolutely certain that our side is right and the other side is wrong, we aren't thinking critically. If we're blaming the media and not blaming ourselves, we're not thinking critically. If we aren't thinking critically, we're the targets of click bait and those who know how to manipulate the media. We don't deserve anything better than mass media manipulation.
     
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    Hannity and Ingraham are overtly Republican. Tucker Carlson is conservative, but anti-capitalist (in it's current unrestrained form). But I defy anyone to cite clear examples of Republican cheer leading from the following Fox shows: Bret Baier, Martha McCallum, Chris Wallace, or Shannon Bream. MSNBC and CNN have no equivalent balance that I can detect.

    Also, Fox daytime programming is pure news.
     
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    I never said I was swift, LOL! Part if my skepticism originally was due to Rush Limbaugh. I don't think he is able to ever give the media the benefit of the doubt. Plus he is reckless with his advocacy for tax cuts, more cuts, with never a word about the national debt that I have heard. He is unreasonable, and so I associated the claim of liberal media bias with his own over the top bias.
     
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    By "free" I mean they suffer no legal consequences for errors or bias.

    By "enemy" I mean they purposefully stir up class envy and hatred.
     
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    It is clear that much of the American MSM refuses to stop publishing Fake News. The first step to recovery is to admit the problem.
    So far only Der Spiegel seems to get that.

    "Looking back, however, we must admit that we allowed ourselves to get sucked in too far by Claas Relotius. We were uncritical with him in ways that we would find unacceptable when it comes to the reporting on which our publication is based. As an institution, we are generally known for not providing the benefit of the doubt to anybody. When it came to Relotius, however, we seemed to have fallen for just about everything.

    As things stand today, we must assume by default that all the articles written by Relotius were fabrications, including the pieces he wrote for other publications. Even if parts of his stories are true, they are embellished with figments of his imagination. In that sense, it doesn't really help much to know which individual sentences are true or not. Journalistically, these stories have no value."
    DER SPIEGEL, Claas Relotius Affair: The Lessons We Are Drawing, Claas Relotius deceived the readers and staff of DER SPIEGEL. But we as a company also failed to a considerable extent and action will be taken to rectify shortcomings., By Steffen Klusmann, David Maupilé, Steffen Klusmann, January 07, 2019
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/claas-relotius-affair-the-lessons-we-are-drawing-a-1246823.html
     
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    This isn't merely an example of spotting a con a mile off.
    Because a vast majority of the Mainstream media is involved with
    colluding in favor of Democrats.
    Therefore the study finding that over 90% of Mainstream Media news
    regarding Trump are Negative.
    I think that number would have been like .9% for when Obama was POTUS.
    meaning less than 1 % Negative coverage.
    It's like things such as the Duke Lacross Rape Case.At first it appeared
    it might look bad for the Lacross Players.But as the weeks went by,it started
    looking like it was a Bogus pile of pap.And the person most guilty was
    the incompetent D.A. Mike NiFong.Who was lying all along.
    So if the MSM is ok with Lying,and they are a far majority of those in the
    News reporting,what could or should the end result be.
    Just what we've been experiencing.
     
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    Nonsense, Mussolini rose to power as the editor of the Italian Socialist Party's daily, Avanti!.
    Mussolini was a Fake News pioneer.
     
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    Actually, "fake news" has been with us from the very beginning. Franklin had his own press and used it to generate outrage against the
    British. https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-37-02-0132

    The early elections were full of spurious charges and allegations against the candidates. These were a staple of the media way back then.
     
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    Well if you are for truth, justice and the American way, the media has become the enemy.

    Back in the 50's when America was still great we had Superman.

    Today we have President Trump.

    Look, up in the sky...
    Over there by the Trump Tower...
    It's a bird, it's a plane, it's Donald Trump !!!

     
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    Here we are again, making a case that ignores those sources not considered main stream. The media in general has always been guilty of making claims that turned out wrong. It's not a one sided deal.
     
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