Jullian Assange has been arrested following removal of asylum by the Ecuadorian Government

Craig Murray said today that the BS told by Equador was a pack of lies, like him smearing fecal matter on walls. They are trying to make him look crazy, so the people in equador don't get too upset over what this scumbag in equador has done.

When I first hear that story in our corporate media, I did not believe it. And once again, it proves just how well I am connected to the reality in which I live. Not bragging, for it saddens me that so many of us don't have a clue as to what our reality actually is. I am glad there are a few here who understand what is really going on. I think some lean right, and some lean left, but not so far as to fall on their arses.

The business model of all corporate, legacy media is not to present journalism, but to get as many eyeballs on their advertisers. And of course, to be shills for either the dems or the repubs.

 

At least you clearly outlined your world view.

Of course, you did not address any of my points re the necessity for a functioning international rules-based system, because if you did, you would have to face the contradictions in your world view.

But that goal is impossible, unless everyone has that very same right in a secure environment.

And for everyone to have that same right requires co-operation among individuals via rule of law, because we are all driven by self-preservation and self-interest instincts that evolved - in a predatory world - millions of years ago.

Explanation:

Through the evolution of the cerebral cortex - seat of consciousness and reason - we have become aware of the concept of justice through rule of law, a concept enabling escape from the competitive predation of the natural world within which we evolved.

The final realisation of this consciousness is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including the right of all humans, not just you (!), to pursue happiness. Obviously impossible under the present MAD system of absolute national sovereignty and 'legal' war - the ultimate contradiction if we are talking about rule of law.

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I clearly dealt with this issue in my post.

Yours is the typical anti-UN argument, accusing the UN of appeasing human rights abusers, yet resisting establishment of the UN machinery required to deal with such abusers.

Your world view is directed more by your (in evolutionary terms) ancient reptilian and mammalian (visceral) brains, than your cortex ("thinking") brain.

But it's no longer necessary for you to persist with your world view - because any resource scarcity that might threaten your own pursuit of happiness is not necessary, in this era of increasing AI and IT; indeed, over-supply and scrambling (competing!) for markets is a greater problem today.

 

It is difficult to know what to believe. Cover-ups have always existed but not to this extent. Embedded journalism put a lid on any honest reporting so all that is left are whistleblowers. Now if nations such as the UK and Sweden are willing to play ball with the U.S. then we are truly ****ed. All that we have today are Wikileaks and (dare I say?) RT for news that is either truth and/or logical.

We can write that in stone.

 

And most of what the big mainstream media companies report these days about foreign conflicts are given to them from the White House.

Actually doing their own independent investigations is much more difficult and expensive.

 

Exactly.

Plus that would increase the risk of upsetting the government. Yep, we are left with whistleblowers to put out the word and Wikileaks to research it (before publishing it) and RT (for at least an opposing view) if we want any kind of balanced understanding.

 

Yes, it takes time and vigilance if one wants to try to figure out where the truth lies. And unless one is retired like myself, it is hard to really do that. So, did Sweden bring those charges back up on assange, for it was reported awhile back that these charges were now gone. And yet, I heard in corporate media, no mention of that, and instead they talked as if he was still charged. Of course, the US will maintain that assange is to be only charged with trying to help manning hack into a gov't computer, that is said to carry only a 5 year sentence, but the money says we will pile on more charges once we get him here, perhaps even espionage.

That is how our justice system generally acts, the pile on of charges. And both repubs and dems have a hard on for assange and want him in prison. So we imprison him and the people who were responsible for the war crimes that manning discovered and gave to assange to publish, remain unpunished. There is something unjust about this scenerio. That escapes the attention of so many people here in america.

And I agree, that if you want the other side or other sides of a story or issue being reported on by our corporate media, RT, the american hosted programa is one of the few places you will get it. No wonder our politicians and corporate media hate RT and accuse them of being purveyors of lying russian propaganda. ha ha. In the times we live in, telling the truth is treason.

Funny that these politicians and corporate media people will exclaim loudly that RT is nothing but russian lies and propaganda, and yet if you ask them for evidence, to show you examples of that, they cannot do it, or will not do it. And act as if you are an idiot for even asking for evidence. ha ha.

 

Too much verbiage. A simple I disagree would have suffice.

As to international law, if it’s based on free trade, the rights of the individual, and the sovereignty of free nations, I Support it. If not, let it rot.

 

I’m retired myself. 72 last month.

I have heard no news that Sweden is going to bring back any charges. The truth be told it was all whipped up for the purpose of getting Assange bundled up on another clandestine CIA plane from Sweden to the U.S. (not the first time, you see) so if the UK is willing to do the dirty deed Sweden can hide beneath the table and pretend we are looking for a cuff link.

I would like to believe that Sweden won’t reintroduce the charge of rape simply because it is it a ludicrous notion ….. but …… this must be the first time Sweden ever sent out an international extradition request for someone who was said to have raped someone while the only witnesses/victims say that he didn’t rape them at all. So, anything goes I guess.

That is really scary stuff and I suppose it is for the purpose of patronizing the UK and Sweden, both who claim to be unwilling to extradite anyone who might face capital punishment. So if the U.S. gets its grubby hands on Assange then bumps up the charges then we (over here) can maintain a clear - albeit dirty - conscience.

The U.S. is fostering its citizens on the “with us or against us” and “love it or leave it” indoctrination. In that way being wrong doesn’t matter and if its population thinks it does matter then they are anti-American and “haters”.

I thought the U.S. based RT had been forced to shut down and the crew all deported last year. Or have I confused it with some other Russian/U.S. incident?

We’ve seen a lot of that lately. ¿Que no?

 

It looks unlikely that Assange will go to Sweden to be interviewed and possibly face charges.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/12/lawyers-doubt-julian-assange-ever-stand-trial-sweden

Apparently he offered many times to speak to them when in the Ecuador Embassy and speaking to people is something they often do in foreign countries but they refused.

Meanwhile Owen Jones suggests he is sent to Sweden so that that matter can be dealt with/put to rest but on the condition that there is no extradition to the US.

His Dad has started asking for Australia to demand he is sent home. The current Australian Government appears to be uninterested but opposition parties are beginning to show an interest.

 

I believe Sweden finally did send a representative and spoke with Julian on one occasion.

More than once did Assange offer this possibility. Sweden's response? Typically Swedish (being Swedish myself I know) in they refused to guarantee anything stating only that they have no reason to believe he would be sent to the states. Believe me, this is a typical Swedish side-step, one that cannot be trusted for a farthing.

There's the ticket!

 

Dark day for truth.

 

Here is an article on Bini, the Swedish man apparently a friend of Assange's who was arrested on Friday.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...r-arrests-man-with-alleged-links-to-wikileaks

....................one of claimed reasons a quite crazy belief that wlkileaks would do a cyber attack on Ecuador because of them acting illegally and giving a man they had given asylum and citizenship to over to those from whom he was needing asylum from.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...r-arrests-man-with-alleged-links-to-wikileaks

 

I thought when Rudy Giuliani said the truth is not the truth we were at a low point

 

Contradiction 1.
The absolute sovereignty of nations, whether "free" or not, is incompatible with international rule of law, since such sovereignty includes the 'right' to make war.

Individuals don't have the 'right' to assault others in a nation that has rule of law (though they often do, and are dealt with according to law). The same needs to apply in the international sphere.

Hence you don't believe in an international rules based system (as you stated at the beginning: "America must be dominant").

OK.

Still, if I can expose the mechanics of your Neanderthal world view (as explained in my previous post), I will do so.

[Hence the verbosity to which you objected, because these words arouse uncomfortable visceral sensations in your reptilian and mammalian brains, whose activities are unconscious. Nothing to be ashamed of - we are all subject to the same mental dynamics, it's just that some of us want to free ourselves from the predation and violence of the Neanderthal state].

"Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe": H G Wells.

 

I'm off to feed the lizard
The wonderful lizard of id

 

Your words are not uncomfortable, they’re boring camouflage for a one world under the thumb of UN tyrants, dictators, and despots.

There is a certain point of agreement, the right to wage war. But the agreement is very pointed and limited: No nation has the right to wage war to murder, rape, loot. And here’s were we part; Any free nation has the right to destroy any totalitarian or outlaw nation.

Globalism in politics doesn’t impress me; liberty does.

 

Which is how the US is increasingly being seen.

 

No his position wasn't debatable, he was a criminal, convicted of committing a crime. There is an actual procedure to both report war crimes and/or become a whistleblower. He did none of those things.

Second, the "war crimes" video was merely .000001% of the actual classified information released. What about that? Doesn't that release rise to the level of Espionage Act activities?

Third, truthout? Really?

 

Only by Putin, Maduro, Castro, the Ayatollahs, and their brothers in tyranny; and the envious fools and liars who eagerly become their minions.

With regards to Assange, if any nation give him, America ought to give him the Noriega treatment.

Assange! Be the hero you claim to be; face your accusers in an American court of law.

 

No, by just about everyone except certain American's who convince themselves that what their government says is the truth and hence want to silence anypne reporting the real truth but having glimpsed at what you think I would not expect you to see. The direction the US is heading in is extreme isolation. The UK under May will cuddle up and come with you but she will not be around much longer.

 

War crimes my ass, the moral action would have been to give both Iraq and Afghanistan the “Sherman South Treatment”—burn ‘em to the ground to destroy their will to fight.

You want to end the war in terrorism, bring the Muslim mothers to their knees with their dead babies in their arms, their husbands rotting corpse by their side, their eyes fill with the tears of a shattered human soul. Terrorism will end, and Muslims will finally build the peace and prosperous life they did to flourish properly on earth. They might even learn Islam is evil, and that reason is moral.

 

Any human being who commits a criminal act and refuses to face justice is worse than a whore, they are cowardly sluts. I want this so called “hero” to face his America accusers. I beseech him to have the courage of his convictions and come here and face 12 true and honest independent souls to judge him. After all, in America, he only needs to win over 1 of the 12. What are you afraid of, Assange? The truth? Don’t be Smollet; be Jean Valjean.

I look at reality, not government mouth pieces.

 

There are, as would be expected several articles about this on Consortium news.

Here is an exert from one

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/13/the-assange-arrest-you-have-the-right-to-remain-silent/

 

Indeed. I have just heard his lawyer speaking about this on Sky News. She says they spoke to him and after speaking to him they decided to close the case.

 

First, the U.S. government is known for its deception, cover-ups, and lies. So being convicted by a military court does not mean "guilty".

Second. What is the problem with Truthout? It quoted the proper sources and if you quote the proper sources you come up with the same result.