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Cher: Los Angeles ‘Can’t Take Care of Its Own, How Can It Take Care of’ More Immigrants

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  1. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Arnold was no Republican, and the State Legislature has been run by Socialist Progressive Democrats for over 20 years.

    Get real.
     
    ocean515, Apr 17, 2019
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  2. danielpalos

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    that doesn't change their natural rights or our Constitution. only the right wing doesn't care about the law and blame less fortunate illegals.
     
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    You have nothing but appeals to ignorance. seeking asylum is not illegal.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 17, 2019
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    danielpalos Banned

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    i resort to the fewest fallacies; that makes me the most moral.
     
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    natural rights and our Constitution don't change based on right wing bigotry.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 17, 2019
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea what an E(capital E)xpress immigration clause is.

    Pray do expound, at length if you must.
     
    Creasy Tvedt, Apr 17, 2019
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    Asking for asylum is legal. And we do have laws regarding how this takes place and who qualifies. So then you are opposed to those breaking our laws and entering our country illegally? Does our country not have the right to limit the number of asylum seekers it processes? Where does the authority come for this natural law that you keep referring to?
     
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    don't know Anything about our Constitution or Constitutional law, but want to be taken seriously anyway?

    Our Constitution is Express not Implied, every time we have to argue with the right.
     
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    seeking asylum is a natural right. we have no immigration clause. only illegals don't care about the law.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 17, 2019
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    Your inability to actually respond to anything anybody says is what is speaking volumes here.

    You've resorted to the statement 'right wing bigotry' and have yet to show a shred of evidence of how our position is bigoted in any way. I'm convinced you don't even know what the definition of bigotry is.

    It's a forum rule to respond to the person you quote.....maybe you try it for once?
     
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    i did respond; right wingers are merely too ignorant to understand but want the affirmative action to be taken seriously anyway. Only bigots do that.
     
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    Why do you believe seeking asylum is a natural right? As a sovereign nation don't we have the right to establish our own asylum laws within the bonds of any asylum treaties we are obligated to? Why do you feel we need an immigration clause? Does not Congress establish our immigration laws?
     
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    because it is; it is part of defense of self and property.

    We need an express clause because our Constitution is Express not Implied.
     
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    How would you know what anyone else wants when it is apparent that you cannot see or comprehend beyond your delusions and denial? I don't know who "censored" refers to in your posts, but as a lifelong Democrat liberal well acquainted with countless other lifelong Democrat liberals, I can definitely ascertain that you are not accurate in your assessment if it is our side of the aisle to which you are referring. When one makes continual far fetched claims against an opposing group or organization, it eventually casts doubt on everything that person states as truth..
     
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    If so why are you supporting the democrats in congress who are blocking every attempt to stop the invasion?
     
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    Go on.
     
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    some people have some respect for the law; our Constitution is Express not Implied.
     
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    If the Constitution is Express, and nothing is implied, what is the purpose of the Supreme Court?
     
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    what part of Express not Implied by right wing fantasy is difficult to understand?
     
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    I was asking a different lib than you
     
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    Both parts.
     
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    Wow. Well apparently you are privy to information about California's former governor that even he is unaware of. Imagine him believing himself to be a Republican to the point that he actually ran for governor as a Republican, won as a republican and served as a Republican when all the time, apparently unbeknownst to him, he was (according to you) NOT a Republican. He should have sought your council prior to embarking on his political career to ascertain his true political beliefs and proper party. Perhaps you should make yourself available in the future for similar instances of political party confusion.
     
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    Ignoring your snarky response, here are a few facts about the fraud.

    Among many actions that revealed the reason he could be married to a Kennedy at the time, Arnold endorsed and signed AB32, the worlds most draconian global warming bill.

    https://www.nysun.com/national/schwarzenegger-signs-cap-on-greenhouse-gas/40512/

    "Mayor Gavin Newsom and Governor Pataki of New York, as well as Democratic legislators, joined Mr. Schwarzenegger for the high-profile ceremony. Prime Minister Blair, who struck a deal with Mr. Schwarzenegger over the summer to develop clean technologies, joined the ceremony via video link."​
     
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    They have the natural right to seek asylum but we have no obligation to grant it. For example we could say, Mexico is good enough - we only grant asylum to our immediate neighbors. You should seek asylum with a country that is safe before you get to us.

    There is plenty of implied in our Constitution. Not everything in it is expressly laid out. Our Constitution would be massive if that was the case. It is the role of our Supreme Court to analyze those implications and apply them.
     
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    Our rights are not based on "feelings". And Bigotry has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Nice straw man. You want to have a discussion, be an adult. If I take your logic, opening up the borders to anyone who thinks they have a right to our resources would be an example of economic ignorance and rather treasonous thinking, which it basically is. Taxes are finite. Our resources are finite. You can't introduce millions of people into a system with limited funding unless your goal is to bring it all down. Is that your goal? Because it would make these conversations easier if I knew what your end game was. If destruction of the country as we know it is your goal, just put it out in the open please. Cite the bigotry please.

    Cher used logic without even knowing it. Trump used the ol' "once it hits home" stance. And THAT's the rub. Liberals want to do so much good, until that good actually impacts them. ONLY then do they suddenly realize how naive and ignorant they are.

    Anyone can APPLY. But we have no obligation to grant anyone anything. They have plenty of other options. Plenty of other countries that are closer to their home country geographically & culturally. But like I said, why go some place that won't give you a hand out when you can cross a number of countries to one that does. That makes the asylum claim illegitimate.
     
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