Trump losing it with latest abortion lie.

Yes, and that is often the HUMANE thing to do when the foetus is non-viable

Are you suggesting we resuscitate and give “futile care” to every unfortunate?

Are YOU going to pay for the extended and expensive care required by a baby born without a brain?

Yep! That article was the Beeb saying that republicans had gone all mouth frothy over a bill that would allow palliative care for infants with no life expectancy

Think I remember this - didn’t it turn out that the picture was not of him??

 

The civilians are no more dead than the innocent victims of the terrorists they are sheltering

 

Tell me - what would YOU do if a relative of yours delivered an anencephalic


These are WANTED pregnancies gone terribly, horribly wrong.

Microcephaly is a condition where there is more brain developed but not enough to allow the baby to have a fully functioning life - and it is on the rise thanks to Zika virus. Microcephalics are often “very irritable” i.e, they cry constantly (? They are in pain but since they cannot verbalise who knows for sure?)
Baby K was an anencephalic who was kept alive two and a half years before finally passing. The cost would have run into the hundreds of thousands to millions (calculate ICU beds at approx $5000 per day) and are YOU going to pay higher taxes to keep these futile cases alive?

 

If they were foetuses...........

 

That post was a response to a poster that claimed life after one month. So no she wouldn't know months in advance.

 

Because of the legal precedent with “Baby K”

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
That doesn't make the civilians any less DEAD.

Seems you don't mind people dying if it's to your benefit.

That doesn't make the civilians any less DEAD.

Seems you don't mind people dying if it's to your benefit.

You are trying to justify who YOU don't mind killing.

 

And this is where I have an issue with the completely ignorant speaking on a topic they know nothing about

 

Actually there is a LOT of difference and it is in the use of one word

“EXECUTE”

Do we “execute” palliative care patients?

 

Given the fact you were unable to identify a picture of a foetus THIS is ****ing hilarious!!!!

 

Remember "severe deformities"? You know, the other example you keep conveniently and disingenuously omitting to support your bogus argument.

Abortion = Execution

I'm "pro-Choice", but executing a deformed child outside the womb is execution. That term may shock the precious sensibilities of "pro-Choice" snowflakes, but the fact remains.

By the way, if you'd like to join the topic, Northam was talking about executions after birth, which is a fact.

Furthermore, since you are incapable of accurately representing what Northam said, I'll familiarize you with a few more details about the third-trimester abortion law that the Democrats in our General Assembly were proposing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066307

Try getting your facts straight.

 

He's still just talking about removing artificial life support, not execution. And you keep dodging the part about non-viable, which was an important part of the original quote.

If that's what you want to believe, fine, but Trump was specifically talking about execution AFTER birth, which was a lie.

Then, according to your own definitions, you are pro-execution.

No one is suggesting that.

This is a Trump lie, not a fact. Ending artificial life support is not execution no how much you keep trying to twist it.

Third trimester abortion =/= after birth abortion. Please refrain from projecting your lack of a grasp of the facts onto others.

 

Where does the law make an exception for that?

 

No

Not every baby is born a perfect Gerber baby

Here is a case of a baby with its intestines liver and pancreas outside of the body as well as skeletal and lung deformities - they kept it alive in ICU performing multiple surgeries before the poor wee thing died at 84 days

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213576616301439
Would you be willing to fund futile care such as this?

 

I am not doing your homework for you

There is research from around the world supporting my statement, and later today I will search it out and post it but if you want to deflect to legalities then do your own research

 

Which is illegal per the 2002 bill

 

Well research totally beats law then....... not. So you admit what I’m saying is true

 

Why would it be illegal for a legal caregiver to decide to remove artificial life support for a non-viable infant when it is perfectly legal to do so for an adult?

 

I agree 100% that Trump's use of "execute" was a bit hyperbolic....something that is not unique in partisan politics.

However, Northam even stated that his stance was that the parents have the right to discuss with a doctor whether it is appropriate to deny medical care to a living newborn infant. It seems to me that a newborn infant has a right to medical care, no matter the viability of the infant or the extreme of any deformation. Northam's comment was not very specific and neither was his spokesperson's clarification. Does it include an infant with Down syndrome? What about an infant born without limbs? These are both "severe abnormalities" and yet many people have been born with these abnormalities and led a productive life...all things considered. Denying medical care in these cases may be an "execution" for all intensive purposes.

 

Read the 2002 bill it says all babies are given the same medical care. If it was a baby you wanted and it stopped breathing would you not resuscitate? There are no exceptions in the law

 

I am talking about the same medical care. Please read the post again.

 

And when the baby is anencephalic (no brain) they often do not give any MEDICAL care but that does not mean withholding all care

I will ask the question that no right winger has answered so far

Are YOU willing to pay for futile medical care indefinitely?

 

I'll take your moving of the goal posts as a concession you didn't refute anything in my post.

And since your question is irrelevant, why don't you show us where a third trimester abortion of healthy, normal fetuses is explicitly forbidden in HB 2491:

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Northam said:
"The infant would be delivered."

Actually, there are anti-abortion folks who agree with pro-abortion folks on that exception, but don't let facts get in your way.

Furthermore, a mother's life wouldn't have to be in jeopardy for a woman to obtain a third trimester abortions in HB 2491.

I have no problem with a child being aborted if the mother's life is in jeopardy, but that's not an issue here.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Do please show EXACTLY where in the law, NOT YOUR INTERPRETATION, does it say this is for healthy , normal fetuses.

Abortion of a healthy 23 week (viable) fetuses has long been against the law...a new law isn't needed.

And you could not show EXACTLY where in the law, NOT YOUR INTERPRETATION, does it say this is for healthy , normal fetuses.


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I don't care who said that the FACT is it's
""done in cases where there may be severe deformities” or where the fetus is not viable"""
Yup, the infant may be delivered...so what? Many terminal/deformed fetuses are delivered...uh , DUH, that's how they come out..

That already is the law.

Yet you posted :

""""""Title: Abortion; eliminate certain requirements.
Author: Del. Kathy Tran (D-VA)

Summary
Eliminates the requirement that an abortion in the second trimester of pregnancy and prior to the third trimester be performed in a hospital. The bill eliminates all the procedures and processes, including the performance of an ultrasound, required to effect a woman's informed written consent to the performance of an abortion; however, the bill does not change the requirement that a woman's informed written consent be first obtained. The bill eliminates the requirement that two other physicians certify that a third trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the woman's death or impairment of her mental or physical health, as well as the need to find that any such impairment to the woman's health would be substantial and irremediable..."""""""

 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+sum+HB2491

Allot of grey there!!!