Chomsky BRILLIANTLY Dissects Trump, Democrats & RussiaGate

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Chomsky!

 

I second that.

 

Here's a blast from the past ... http://www.politicalforum.com/index...eat-to-the-species-‘in-human-history’.503511/ If you follow the OP's chain of replies, you immediately realize that just a little Noam Chomsky kool-aid can damage your brain.

 

Thank you for that link. It was worth the 15 minutes of my time.

While Chomsky did nail the past as to how we got here and what we currently have I disagree with his disparagement of the malign Russian influence on the outcome of the election. Flipping those 77,000 votes in 3 Rustbelt states was done primarily through Facebook targeting them with massive amounts of disinformation. Chomsky just doesn't have the knowhow to appreciate how that was accomplished.

The second point where he seems to be missing the point is the Dems reverse engineering what the GOP did to Hillary and applying to the BLOTUS. It is a proven strategy so why not use it for 2020? It isn't as though the BLOTUS has a massive likability index that needs to be eliminated. He is already underwater and keeping him under is what matters when it comes to the election.

Which brings us back to the Establishment/Base issue which exists in BOTH parties. The GOP has their catch phrases, dog whistles and prepared game plans to drive their base to the polls. However they do have to contend with a SHRINKING demographic base. Where are they going to recruit new voters?

On the Dem side of the aisle the split between the Establishment and the base is relatively new. In essence former Dems have abandoned the party because they KNOW that it just panders to the wealthy and doesn't give a crap about hardworking Americans. The Dem Establishment has NOTHING to offer the base except for a has-been like Biden. Give me a break!

OTOH the Progressives have a LOT to offer the electorate and that is where Bernie lit the fuse. In essence if the Dems want to win back the Oval office in 2020 they NEED to run a Progressive candidate IMO.

 

NO evidence what ever that the Russians flipped any votes. It was a contest between the two most thoroughly disliked people to ever run for potus. In the end Hillary irritated more people between the mountains than did Trump.

 

I managed to listen to this rambling of Chomsky. My gosh! Why does it take him so long to make a simple point?

He is partially correct. The establishment GOP's constituency is wealthy corporate interests. Where he is wrong is it is also the constituency of the Democrats.

Both parties are pretty much owned by big money special interests. Democrats pretend to be the party of the people but they are not.

obama was a puppet. Bush was a puppet. Clinton was a puppet and so on.

The leading democrat candidate is a puppet. Just look at the money Biden and his family have gotten from special interests and you will be shocked.

Trump is too hated by the establishment to be a puppet. The constant attacks and lies by the establishment parties is proof of that.

 

Agree completely about Chomsky and the Russian influence campaign. No one can be right all the time, and I feel that Chomsky was quite off about the Russians, but was on a real roll before then. What was even more disappointing to me, though, was the reaction of the show's host. That guy acted like he was either incapable of critical thought and analysis, or was looking for nothing more than confirmation bias in everything Chomsky had said.

It would be nice to see this progressive wing of the Democrats and the establishment kiss and make up, also. Right now they're off in a mirror image of Trumpland, wanting a savior president to give them what they want. Why is it that so many Americans look to the President alone to do so much? The entire federal government should be able to come together on key issues. It shouldn't take the election of radicals like Trump and Sanders to get needed reforms. If we are to get such characters, shouldn't they be in Congress rather than the White House? I'd like to see the President act to temper and restrain such characters and policies, not be the lone activist trying to motivate a more centrist, establishment Congress!

 

People focus SO MUCH on just the President. Why do we keep looking to the President to be a transformer and ignore Congress almost entirely?

 

As much as I disagree with Chomsky’s politics, there’s no denying he’s a pretty smart guy. His “Manufacturing Consent” brilliantly dissects how media is made to manipulate. The Russia conspiracy nut crowd is a great example.

 

Do you recall JFK's Man on the Moon speech?

JFK was facing a major problem when he took office. The Russians had gotten way ahead of the US in the space race and they had Sputnik occupying the literal "high ground" over our nation while we were still trying to get our act together with a successful rocket launch. JFK needed to regain the initiative and instead of going to Congress and asking for funding he went straight to the people instead. He came up with the concept of putting a man on the moon within a decade which he knew would result in regaining the lead over the Soviets. JFK used his leadership and charisma to MOTIVATE the nation to achieve his VISION.

That is what a POTUS should be. Someone who unites us to achieve a common goal. None of the fiscal issues we face today are insolvable. We need a POTUS who has the leadership skills to motivate us to solve them together.

I don't really care what party that person belongs to as long as he has those attributes and that vision.

 

Certainly, although I fear we are too dependent now on the POTUS and demand too much of the POTUS because of it. We want one rockstar after another to say and accomplish extraordinary things. We keep looking to the POTUS, and almost always only the POTUS, to make sweeping changes. It is as though everything has become a space race and every president a JFK, to the detriment of keeping ourselves grounded in reality and sacrificing our ability to come to a national consensus on most issues. The lack of understanding, respect and appreciation of those who feel and vote differently is very concerning, and I see these extremes constantly being reflected in the presidency now. One side or the other puts a character in office who tries to play to these extremes and tries to be a rockstar, because there is so much pressure for him to do so. The more grounded, perhaps better qualified candidates are now boring and get ignored in favor of these presidential celebrities. The same applies to senators and house representatives, and at the same time the entire Congress seems to be increasingly playing second fiddle to the Executive, our 1- to 2-term part-time dictator whose job it is to be awesome and make everything right.

 

Chomsky is the old go to for Democrats. He has preached this fake for the people dogma for a long time. We republicans are more for the people than are the Democrats. They talk how they will help the middle class make gains, we prove we do it and not Democrats.

The truth is if you shut down the wealth, you kill jobs.

Obama used to stay in my area looking for the money too. And his group who gave him money were the very rich elites.

 

You lost me at “Chomsky brilliant”.

He hates America, the West, Christianity, capitalism, etc.

 

I happen to have voted for Kennedy and know we did not elect him over promises to go to the moon. I believe that promise was made after he became president.

I will certainly recant that if proof is given here that he used it to campaign.

I just do not recall the promise ahead of his election.

We were in a completely different environment when he ran for office. I won't dwell on the extreme tight questionable race he ran or won, but do recall that when he was president, he was not so nearly loved alive as he later became as a corpse.

The corpse got more hero worship than the living man had. Kennedy had massive resistance against him in fact.

Though I voted for him, he scared the crap out of me with his war like stance vs the Soviets. In his era, I would go to work in construction and during times of the day, working in say San Francisco, worry a nuclear bomb would take out San Francisco. Were I over in Stockton, CA or in Merced or Eureka, CA, there I never worried about that dreaded nuclear bomb as much.

From the JFK site

Nothing in there about a trip to the moon, just as I believe.

 

I dunno. But you are right.

 

Okay the problems expressed in this post is a near total failure to even begin to understand what's in play in our government. First on the political side the only reforms either side is really interested in are those that guarantee they'll die in office. And the best way to do that is to limit your potential opposition's funding. If you are a Republican that inevitably you are going to be for smaller less intrusive government on the bureaucratic side where all the public sector unions reside and where a good chunk of Democratic party funding comes from. Democrats on the other are going to try to limit private sector donations, because that not only hampers Republicans but challenges from within their own party as well.

Meanwhile about 90% of the rules and regulations in the country are being made by people no one ever voted four at up to four different levels of government none of which ever consult each other on or about anything, and lot of those are written more to raise money than anything else.

 

Granted but when JFK was POTUS we did not have the same deep divisions that we see today. Yes, blacks were denied their civil rights in the south and there was plenty of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc, etc but it was not at the same intensity that we have today.

Is there someone out there that could unite the nation again?

Realistically the answer is highly unlikely because people like JFK, Ghandi and Mandela are rare occurrences rather than the norm.

We are just going to have to find a war to sort out our own problems and that begins with trying to move back towards the left so that we can once again have a normal distribution of political opinions rather than the current one that is heavily distorted towards the far right. What we call Progressives would be moderate liberals in every other civilized nation.

In essence we need to reject the Establishment candidates at ALL levels of government and replace them with Progressives to bring our nation back onto a level political playing field.

 

A 91 year old geezer is lucky to know what planet he's on, let alone dissect anything but what he found in his drawers.

 

Old is right he was born April 1928.

 

Name one thing he said that was not true.

 

Ten years older than i am. I frankly am pleased I lasted a lot longer than a good many of my friends and two brothers.

 

Fairly easy actually, ever notice that while congress in general during my life time has held in about the same esteem as used car salesmen everyone likes their congressmen and senators. The disconnect is at times staggering. So in the so-called wave election of 2018 about ten percent of House seats changed incumbents, and all of two or three senate seats and most of those changes had more to do with retirement of the old incumbent than anything else.

 

Sure. Also ever notice the Democrats women teachers keep getting caught having sex with the students in her class and going to jail? Republicans need to keep alerting the public of this.

 

. Back in 90's, when the internet was new, I read an article penned by Chomsky. The subject matter was about AI, something that I've dabbled in, professionally. Anyhow we became pen pals, of sorts, over the next decade or so.

The fact that the Republican Party represents the wealthy and uses Evangelicals and racists for votes is something we both agreed on. But then it is quite obvious. This latest thing, he also says similar things in an interview with Amy Goodman. It doesn't make sense. After all Chomsky was a linguist. I suppose if you look at the Russian interference as just another PAC.

But then, it doesn't explain why conservatives have all become Russia supporters. So obviously the Russian interference has had an effect.

But then, if one considers the Trump base, the Russians are using them, just as the right wingers have been doing for years.

I'm not convinced that the Democrats are the same as Republicans. Compare the Pacific Northwest with the South. The people are cared for, far better than in the South.

It is in Democratic strongholds where public financing of elections is strongest.

When Obama won, it was in part, because the Republican dirty tricksters had spent all their time going after Bill's wife. There is a good chance, this time around, they will spin their wheels on Biden, before the front runner emerges.