Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

People who only know the Taliban from CNN probably think like this.

For the rest of us, we know that there is no good guys or bad guys in war. For those of us that have met the Taliban face to face and seen the kids with chopped off fingers and girls with mutilated faces, we know better.

The point is to kill them. The end. You kill more of them than they kill of you, you will win eventually. It's a numbers game.

What's prevented the US military from doing what they do is the civilian population and politicians at home.

 

Scroll back through the thread. Exculpatory evidence was apparently withheld from the defense.

 

Actually the US Military during WW2 considered waterboarding torture, which is why Japanese soldiers who used waterboarding on POWs were tried for torture. But I guess the US military during WW2 were all "snowflakes" in the eyes of the Right.

 

And when every murdered civilian results in multiple recruits for the insurgents, you will never win that numbers game.

 

The victim suffered a worse fate

 

Because it doesn't matter if the victim reached for the gun. A person threatened with murder by an illegal actor has a right to defend themselves. A murderer has no right to murder their victim just because the victim fought back.

 

Teens stick guns in peoples faces during hazing?

 

You do know that the only person to point at the victim as having anything to do with the IED was another Iraqi who for all we know had a grudge against the victim? Strange that you have already found guilty the victim who was interrogated by the US army and deemed innocent but say that the murderer who was found guilty in a trial is innocent

 

The kind of waterboarding used by the Japanese involved things like urine and usually killed the victim. I bet you know that.
The technique developed and used to train US troops to resist torture and to interrogate terrorists is far different.
It does not kill or injure, but it is very harsh, unpleasant and effective.

 

Apparently breaking ankles is just hazing so maybe.

 

Yet it is still torture by any objective definition.

If you are going to claim waterboarding isn't torture, let me ask you this: are you okay with the police in the US using waterboarding on you as part of interrogation when they think you might have committed a crime?

 

This is teen hazing:

“Pre-season Football Camp at Mepham High

Sixty football players at Mepham High School were taken to a pre-season training camp for five days in western Pennsylvania. While there, three players, ages 15, 16 and 17, used broomsticks, pine cones and golf balls to sodomize three freshman players on at least three occasions and over three or four days. One report says there were as many as ten attacks on the three victims, with at least one so vicious it caused a witness to vomit.” Laura L. Finley Florida Atlantic University* and
Peter S. Finley, Nova Southeastern University, Journal of Criminal Justice and Popular Culture, 14 (2), 197-219, © 2007 School of Criminal Justice, University at Albany
http://www.albany.edu/scj/jcjpc/vol14is2/finley.pdf

 

Have you ever been threatened by a gun? Was that worse than this:

“One incident involved females hazing underclassmen at a Powderpuff football game … both verbal and physical violence, and at least twenty juniors total were targeted. Some victims were punched and kicked and one had a cooler slammed over her head. They were covered with urine, paint, fish guts, and trash, wrapped with pig intestines, and smeared with feces. One girl needed stitches and another had a broken ankle. One was forced to eat excrement, resulting in a bacterial infection. All of this was videotaped and viewed around the world.” Laura L. Finley Florida Atlantic University* and?Peter S. Finley, Nova Southeastern University, Journal of Criminal Justice and Popular Culture, 14 (2), 197-219, © 2007 School of Criminal Justice, University at Albany
http://www.albany.edu/scj/jcjpc/vol14is2/finley.pdf

These kinds of incidents have been common for decades.

 

The rock, if actually one was thrown, missed. So explain again where the self defense plea comes in. Note: there were two US soldiers and a translator working for the US army surrounding one naked unarmed civilian

 

An objective person who wanted to actually reduce human destruction caused by torture would encourage the rejection of real Black and Decker torture in favor of waterboarding.

IOW, the current laws of war are not designed to reduce the use of torture or to encourage more human conduct of warfare.
The accomplish the opposite.

 

I'm fine with the pardon but your Hillary hysteria is ….. well, you have the vapors. LOL. Do you have any clue as to why the Lt killed the man, or how? Or how he came to be convicted. Or where he was convicted. JFC

 

Yeah, breaking ankles is just hazing. So if a cop breaks your ankles, he was just hazing you, not assaulting you.

If I break you ankles, I’m just hazing you. Meaning you are not being assaulted and cannot fight back legally. If you fight back, you are the one committing assault and I can kill you in “self-defense” right?

Your argument is bankrupt. Stop defending murder.

 

Irrelevant because the defendant was denied his right to fair trial. This is not a trial court.

 

Except any kind of torture, waterboarding included, doesn’t work. It does not provide effective intelligence. It just gets the victim to say what they think the torture wants to hear to get them to stop.

 

It would be common battery if it was a crime at all. Broken bones are often a justifiable bi-product of resisting arrest

 

Nope, purposefully broken bones like with the example you quoted. It’s just “hazing”, not battery. That’s your standard.

 

is there a link for this info?

edit, nvm, i'm reading info now

 

Torture usually works. That is one reason why it's use remains so popular.

"Tyler Cowen on the news that the intelligence that eventually led to the raid on Osama bin Laden’s hideout may have been the result of torturing detainees at Guantanamo:

I have never been pro-Guantánamo, or for that matter pro-torture [], but I am willing to report results which may run counter to my views. The moral and the practical do not always coincide, and perhaps we should be celebrating just a bit less. It is possible this is not a totally “clean” victory on our part.

This is one of the reasons that I think it’s important not to put too much emphasis on practical arguments against torture. After all, if the reason you oppose torture is because torture doesn’t work, then you’d better be prepared to change your mind if it turns out that torture does work. I’m not willing to do that."
MOTHER JONES, Does Torture Work?, BY KEVIN DRUMMAY. 2, 2011 5:08 PM.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/05/does-torture-work/

 

The only discrepancy was if the victim was standing or sitting when shot! Either way, it is still murder of an innocent civilian

 

Western PA.

Trump Country. That figures.

Back to the OP, has there ever been a reasonable answer to why the OP is (apparently) blaming something that happened under BUSH, on Obama?

It seems like an incredibly ridiculous narrative.:smh: