Alabama Senate passes bill banning nearly all abortions /MOD WARNING

Noone here voted for the idiots running Alabama. This will tied up in court and SCOTUS will strike it down.

 

Climatologists (science) tells us that the Earth is warming at a dangerous pace and the cause is almost exclusively human behavior. You do believe in science, don't you?

Science informs policy decisions, but it does not dictate policy decisions. No one is rejecting science by permitting women to control their own body and to decide whether they wish to attempt to complete the lengthy and medically difficult process of carrying a fetus to full term.

 

Judging from Kavanaugh's views and comments on established precedent I fully expect the SCOTUS to continue to uphold Roe v. Wade.

If you want to get worked up over something it should be Ginsburg's selfish decision not to step down from the SCOTUS while Obama was in office. She has totally jeopardized the survival of Roe with that decision, and it would be ironic in the extreme if a Leftist female justice precipitated that ruling's downfall.

 

Kavanaugh literally just joined a majority opinion, written by Clarence Thomas, to rule that a Supreme Court decision from the 1970s was improperly decided.

But I do note your effort to shift the blame onto the potential death/retirement of someone who is actually working to uphold the precedent rather than the individuals who are actively trying to override that precedent.

 

And there are scientist that say that Humans don't have a significant affect on climate. You do believe in science, don't you.

 

No people opposing have yet to be born

 

I'm down with that.... I have no issues with making "choosing life" a viable option (like they haven't figure that out themselves), as long as they are informed of all of their options, including abortion. Hell, I like suggesting abstinence as well, although I know that's an uphill battle.

I hate all abortions. The concept is sort of sickening and in a perfect world, all conceptions would go through to birth and a happy life. But I'm not that naive.

Women have been having abortions since the beginning of time, and they will going forward forever. It's just a matter of trying to controlling and criminalizing it, which to me, is as nutsy as criminalizing drug use...

Choice still rules... and this is a choice issue...

 

Everyone who supports abortion has already been born.

 

Why should she retire? Rehnquist stayed on literally till he died. I thought Stevens left too soon because he was still engaged. O'Connor had wanted to leave for a couple of years. Kennedy too, but he didn't want to let Obama nominate his replacement.

 

Because we want her to retire so that Trump can nominate a justice that will rule consistent with the Constitution.

 

The Founding Fathers were not against abortion. Abortion in this country was not illegal until the 1860s. And anti-abortion laws were a failure. The only people ever prosecuted under anti-abortion laws were the poor. The middle class and wealthy simply took a "vacation" to a place it was legal.

Anti-abortion laws in this country will be ignored. They are a waste of taxpayer money that could, and should, be used for prenatal care and well-baby clinics. Let's save the children who ARE wanted first.

 

Those "scientists" are mostly in the employ of fossil fuel corporations.

 

I understand, but your views are no more legitimate, or less legitimate, than AOC's.

 

Your "scientist" are mostly employed in government funded liberal think tanks and liberal academia.

 

I agree, and to your point that women have always and will always obtain abortions whether they're legal or not, I would add from my own personal viewpoint that this is also a health issue. There's nothing moral, in my opinion, about forcing women back into the "back alley" past where that procedure is provided under anything less than the safest of conditions. Furthermore, you'll never convince me that forcing a woman to bear the fruit of the ill-begotten seed of rape and incest is anything even remotely moral (and I'm more than willing and able to argue that point with my pro-Life friends on the Right).

The way I see it, this is an issue where the extremists on both sides think they have staked out the moral high ground when they haven't. There's too much moral gray area here to support the extremists' black and white view of the world in general and the issue of abortion in specific.

 

Technology?

If the founding fathers had the technology then as we do today to see aa unborn baby in the womb via ultra sound, don't you think they might of had a different view?

 

Guess the Democrats need to send a thank you note to Alabama Republicans - they just swung the women's vote and many Independents to the Democrats by not including exemptions for rape and incest.

 

No. They lived in a time when miscarriage was more common. Most had seen an unformed fetus. Many more people had seen pregnant mothers die from complications as well.

 

Well of course you would be against academia, education, science, knowledge, and intelligence.

 

LMFAO! You have a crystal ball that tells you what the founders would have thought, said and did if they had the same technology then as we do today?

 

When did I say I was against education? I didn't! I'm against liberal indoctrination.

I graduated from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo in the late 80's with a degree in engineering and have been working full-time since then in the Aerospace industry and the CAD/CAM industry.

And you?

 

I'm sure that would be a medically necessary exception.

Good for Alabama.

 

Here's hoping. It is bad law, like Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson.

 

This is how they want to get the issue fast tracked to the SCOTUS to get a judical review of RvW. By taking the bill to such an extreme.