12 Dead, 6 Injured In Shooting At Virginia Beach Municipal Center

I have to add that I know four families that have experienced a home invasion. Violence can come out of nowhere at any time. Better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

 

Thank G-d and my parents I have all the antidepressants I need.

Hundreds of thousands of people with mental disability and no care do commit suicide. That is sad.

 

-You- only care about these people so far as you can use them to push your anti-gun agenda.

 

Only Atheists who are a minority would agree.

 

Funny how in these gun control discussions we always get a couple of trolls from Australia who know nothing about America.

Only two things in Australia. Strays (kangaroos and sheep) and ....

 

Those of us who at some point have lived in the inner city fully understand your post. I doubt that the Australians posting here get your drift.

 

What will you do if your laws and society are no longer protecting you and your family? Nothing lasts forever.

 

In fact, Australia does have "some of the tightest gun control laws" in the world.
Are you really from Australia?

"Australia has some of the ***tightest gun control*** and border security laws in the world but there are still thousands of weapons the Australian Government can't trace."
10 DAILY, 'Rogue Gun Dealers' Operating In Australia, By Max Gay, 10 Daily Reporter, 14 Jan 2019. (*** mine)
https://10daily.com.au/news/crime/a190107jxk/rogue-gun-dealers-operating-in-australia-20190114

 

Almost all, if not all of the deaths cited by your source would not be prevented by any gun control law.

https://gun-control.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=006094

 

I never said I was from Australia. Australia still does not have strict gun laws. And just some extracts from your link:
"While some of the weapons are so old they wouldn't look out of place in a war movie,"

"An estimated 5,000 handguns have been brought into the illicit marketplace through legal loopholes....."

 

You have no idea what the guns laws are in Oz.

 

So who should we believe, the Australian media that admits they have some of the "tightest" gun control laws in the world or you?

"Australia has some of the tightest gun control and border security laws in the world but there are still thousands of weapons the Australian Government can't trace. In December, a joint operation involving the Australian Border Force (ABF) and New South Wales Police seized an arsenal near Newcastle, including a grenade launcher and a heavy machine gun.

Meanwhile, in western Queensland, a haul of 120 firearms including an anti-tank rifle was seized earlier this year.

Australia's border security is capturing a significant amount of illicit firearms and parts.
More than 2,000 were confiscated in their most recent survey period between 2017 and 2018, according to the Department of Home Affairs."
10 DAILY, 'Rogue Gun Dealers' Operating In Australia, By Max Gay, 10 Daily Reporter, 14 Jan 2019.
https://10daily.com.au/news/crime/a190107jxk/rogue-gun-dealers-operating-in-australia-20190114

When Grenade, rocket launchers and heavy machine guns are available everything else is very handy for criminals in Australia.

And this while law abiding Australians are banned from bearing arms to defend themselves.

 

Very sad he had access to so many unarmed victims.

 

Yes, but we are all learners here. Vir bonus semper discipulus est

 

Not exactly. I'm quite Jewish=) I'm using logic. When citing numbers like these, then applying them to populations to predict or scare people into how safe you might be. Like using those numbers to claim something like 1 in 100,000(made that up) Americans will get shot, for example, that is VERY misleading considering over 1/2 are shooting no one except themselves. And then when you consider how many are gang related shootings happening in small pockets in the U.S., its quite disingenuous to try to scare people into believing they're less safe then they actually are, or that walking around the U.S. is less safe then it actually is.

Obviously certain public mass shooting get all the coverage. However, besides those, your odds of being murdered by a gun is like getting struck by lighting or dying in your car every day. And if you're not a gang member and aren't getting into shootouts with the cops, your odds are pretty freakin slim to non existent.

Its like scaring people into thinking their kids can be kidnapped from their front yard. Pretty ****ing thin chance, yet people are paranoid.

 

It's funny that you have ignored the extracts that I have quoted that were taken directly out of the links you provided!

Oh, and perhaps you could provide a link showing the last time an Australian needed a gun to defend himself against a criminal armed with an anti-tank rifle or grenade launcher?

 

I feel sad for people who take their lives due to Depression. Thank G-d and my parents I have Effexor.

 

The fact that heavy military weapons are being smuggled into Australia in spite of "some of the tightest gun control and border security laws" is right on point. OTOH, your extracts were obviously irrelevant.

Every time an Australian becomes the victim of a criminal predator that Australian needs a gun or help from another Australian with a gun.
That happens a lot.

"VICTORIAN crime rates have soared over the past year despite promises of a statewide crackdown by police chiefs and Premier Daniel Andrews.
New statistics reveal crime across the state has soared by 10.2 per cent in the last year."
HERALD SUN, Victorian crime statistics: Robberies rise by 25 per cent, BY ANDREA HAMBLIN AND WES HOSKING, March 15, 2017 10:45pm.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...t/news-story/efeb70c07e42bf757539c6b359a2bb8b

 

I've never been in a union but I know people that are and wow! The perks they get are rediculous

 

You realize that Alaska is rather unique? Its 1) still almost entirely frontier that in many places is not only not connected by road, there ARE no cops for MILES AND MILES AND MILES. Go watch an episode of "Alaska State Troopers" < Sometimes a single trooper will be the only law enforcement officer for a territory comprising areas larger than many nations, entirely not served by road, which freezes up 9 months out of the year, is literally dark for 6 months out of the year, has aggressive fauna, and is where people often intentionally go to drop off the map. 2) its dark for 6 months at a time then light for 6 months at a time (with very little give in between) which drives people literally insane. 3) there is a large population of persons who are "allergic" to alcohol IE they have no maltase to process it with and have the stereotypical native "firewater" reaction to it. Its so bad LISTERINE is illegal in most (physical landmasswise) of the state along with all other alcohol. 4) its packed with people who WANT to be away from law enforcement and civilization 5) resources are scare (transportation etc costs) etc.

Its a bloodbath because its STILL wild frontier, with all that comes with that AND the light conditions year round are ****y which drives people bonkers.

 

And more links from you that have absolutely nothing to do with guns!

 

LOL It's the pro-gunners who brought up Alaska as a shining example of a safe state!

 

It has to do with firearms. Is it your position that machine guns are not guns?