Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by tecoyah, May 24, 2019.

  1. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Lol, no they don’t.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  2. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Lol yes they do.. they ruled in all these cases already.
    They sided with the baker upholding his right not to serve the gay wedding. Not only that but they said that Colorado prosecutors acted abusively to him.

    The Washington s ruling against the florist was overturned using the same rationale. By the SOTUS.

    Lastly Hobby Lobby won their lawsuit as well.

    So, you're just flat out wrong.
     
  3. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,802
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    The Vietnam war would probably still be going on if people didn’t protest an obscene war. What did we accomplish there other than 60,000 dead Americans,?
    I know righties are upset that things “are torn down” ...like segregation, women’s rights, healthcare. You know the things that righties are upset about
     
  4. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Healthcare has been torn apart by the collusion of government and insurance companies. We need to get both out of the healthcare industry.
    Segregation was a democrat thing.
    Abortion is anything but a women's rights issue.

    Now, Vietnam is quite an enigma.
    Soo many opportunities to avoid it, so many opportunities lost to shorten it. Truly a war on which there was no right side but heros and villians on both sides.
    I will only say this. We were no more wrong than the north vietnamese.

    The worst thing we did was get involved, the second worst thing was fighting it soo poorly and the third worst thing we did was leave.
     
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2019
  5. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,690
    Likes Received:
    674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And God help anyone caught up in a time when religion and the state are one and they're forced to accept someone else’s religion.
    [​IMG]
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,761
    Likes Received:
    11,288
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You do realize the Inquisition happened soon after the Spanish had finished pushing out the muslims?
    They were still pretty sore and traumatized over the experience, and had learned firsthand all about religious totalitarianism.
    The Spanish learned it all from their muslim overlords.

    Not condoning what they did in any way, but it's almost understandable, considering their recent historical circumstances.
    It was very reactionary.
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2019
  7. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not when you understand the process.

    Congress can overturn any SCOTUS decision they want by passing legislation that is Constitutional.

    The Citizens United ruling is recognized as a bad decision and Congress will at some future point in time overturn that decision by passing Campaign Funding legislation that prevents corporations from effectively buying the outcome of elections.

    The SCOTUS is not infallible.
     
  8. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    :roflol:

    Dance is a form of expression.

    Baking is NOT because it is HOW we CONSUME FOOD and furthermore baking PREDATES your religion.

    Bakers produce PRODUCTS like bread, cookies and cakes. Would it violate the baker's religious beliefs is a gay couple bought his bread or cookies?

    Why is baking the cake any different to baking the bread or the cookies?
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2019
  9. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,690
    Likes Received:
    674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maybe the baker considers a wedding cake, in some sperstitious way, a kind of sacrament?
     

    Attached Files:

  10. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nonsense!

    The Inquisition BEGAN in the 12th Century and what happened in Spain was in the 15th Century,
     
  11. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Far more likely the baker is just looking for an excuse to exercise his BIGOTRY by DISCRIMINATING against gays who are willing to pay him the asking price for this product.
     
    Renee likes this.
  12. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,690
    Likes Received:
    674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Heaven defend me, I can’t even spell superstitious.
    More likey the baker believes their rejection of making a fairy cake with get them past St Peter.
     
  13. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    One of the more ironic aspects of fundamentalist antigay bigotry is that they use Ruth's vows in their own marriage ceremonies.

    What they do not know is that Ruth made those vows to her lover, Naomi.
     
    Dissily Mordentroge likes this.
  14. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who the heck uses those vows? Answer: Nobody.
     
  15. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,690
    Likes Received:
    674
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Very popular with gay & lesbian couples at New Wave Church weddings I’ve attended. Mind you that’s a very queer branch of Christianity.
     
    Derideo_Te and Bear666 like this.
  16. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We are well on our way. Except the religion gaining control claims not to be a religion and they think that justifies their power grab.
     
  17. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Very popular across Christianity in general from what I have been able to gather.
     
  18. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We were FOUNDED as a SECULAR nation.

    There is not a single mention of any deity in the Constitution!
     
  19. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not a single case contains a ruling that baking a cake violates a religion, lol
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  20. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    We were founded as a representative republic.. There is no mention of secularism.

    How about the declaration of independence?


    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they areendowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”

    This is the justification for our constitution.

    The founding fathers wrote the constitution the way they did because they believed that God gave people rights that the government had no business interfering with. I wholeheartedly agree.
    Now you don't have to believe those rights are given by God as long as you acknowledge that the rights are above and beyond what government can regulate without due process.
    The right of free religion means that government can make no laws that establish a religion or inhibit people right to practice their religion.

    If anti discrimination laws inhibit or are enforced in such a was as to inhibit the right of people to their freedom of religion then they are by definition unconstitutional.
     
  21. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No just that being forced to participate in an immoral act is a violation of a bakers rights.
     
  22. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nowhere in any court ruling is a same sex marriage classified as immoral. Please stop making **** up.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  23. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Courts have no standing on what is moral or immoral as those are words that describe religious value.
    The court ruled that because the baker believed the union was immoral he did not have to participate in it.
     
  24. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2009
    Messages:
    23,726
    Likes Received:
    1,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    changing the words and giving the process face lift made it different how? Can the mormons practice the polyamory of their religion? NO, the states religion will fine them throw them in jail and take their property away, where is this freedom from state religion?
    The Christians understand that to support gays put them into a condition where they become an accessory to the commission of a crime against their own God and conscience.
    No Deity is required for religion.
    No we were not, the gubmint was intended to be wholy neutral.
    Try staying on topic.
     
  25. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113

    The DoI is NOT the Law of the Land which is something every child learns in school.

    The Founding Fathers did NOT do what you allege above.

    The FF were smart enough to KNOW that there are ZERO "god given rights".

    In fact you can't find a single "god given right" in your bible. There is NO freedom OF or FROM religion in there. There is no right to freedom of expression either.

    This BALONEY about nonsensical "god given rights" has been completely and utterly DEBUNKED many times.
     
    Renee likes this.

Share This Page