Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

Just because some folk hate the USA and are terrified that anyone will do anything meaningful without the permission of those haters does not mean that the claims of the conspiracy theorists have to be taken seriously.

Just as you cannot trust the official line from the USA, we cannot trust anything said by the nutters who blame everyone BUT the Iranians for barbaric actions.

 

You do realize that your simply labeling your opinions as 'truth' does not fact make?

 

From their perspective, why not? They cut a deal with Obama because he lined up Russia, China, and the EU--all the major powers--against them. Trump is going it alone.

 

There is nothing they can do to cover something as fundamental as Brexit without an EU trade deal.

 

Germany has great interest in good relations with Iran, the entire EU does, they depend on the Gulf for oil.

The Japanese owner of one of the attacked ships has contradicted the US version of the events, but I think he is relying on what the ship's crew told him, and I question the reliability of the crew's testimony since they are held captive by Iran.

 

Exactly how did they know the info would be used specifically for chemical weapons? The US backed Iraq and made sure it won the war, none of it was specific to chemical warfare.

 

Or taking the appropriate action to secure the Western world

 

I don't know that I would characterize the crew as being held captive. The video of them seems to indicacate otherwise but, yeah, they *could* be coerced I suppose.

Seems like there's no news coming out about either crew or what has happened to the ships since Friday so hard to verify anything.

The crew of the ship that is (was?) in Iran had 11 Russians among including the captain. Moscow has thanked Tehran for their assistance. Propaganda? Yeah, sure, bit there's lots if that flying from both sides.

 

They're not terrorists they're the IRG, the drone wasn't armed and how could it take prisoners?

 

Held captive? More made up stuff!

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/2...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

 

You're not actually referring to the IRG are you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Corps

 

Why wouldn't you trust them?

 

How are 5000 WMDs and tonnes of uranium ore a 'strawman'? How is Iraq continuing to develop chemical weapons not an imminent threat? How is Saddam never losing his nuclear ambition not a matter for dire concern?
What exactly was faked? Come on, exactly?
It's over, come on, no one believes your crazy narrative any more.

 

Then why haven't they been released as the sailors rescued by the US were? And why did the IRG snatch them from a ship that had already rescued them?

 

And? That just confirms what I said.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/15/7330...-tanker-arrives-in-dubai-after-hostile-attack

Days after explosions blasted through two oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, the crew of one of the vessels arrived Saturday in Dubai, according to The Associated Press.

The workers' recollections of the Thursday explosion could potentially help back up or refute the U.S. claim that Iran is to blame. The nation's capital of Tehran denies the accusation.

Though the cause of the explosions is not yet clear, Gulf countries are tightening their security measures on the Strait of Hormuz, and the oil tankers were a key topic of conversation as world energy ministers met Saturday in Japan.

The 10 employees working on the Norwegian-owned MT Front Altair landed in Dubai following two days in Iran, the AP reports.

 

No it doesn't. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

Beats me. I think the Iranian regime is awful and I'd bet the attacks on tankers are their doing.

Is Trump ginning up a conflict with the mullahs? Does Trump think he can get Iran to give up their nuclear ambitions and agree to verification, or is he putting on sanctions to get a reaction?

Trump treats negotiations with foreign countries like a business deal where he (and we) can walk away. The trouble is our adversaries are still there and we have to deal with them on many levels. Trump also acts as though he doesn't have to operate with stated objectives in mind.

 

I don't see the mullah thugs as "civilized."

 

It says the US was aware of Iraq's weapon programme (like everyone else) and gave it intel to win the war. So what?

 

It is unfortunate that the American President has lied so often he is distrusted worldwide and the United States has become the victim of it. I even have suspicions that Trump and his "Friends" may have concocted this in some way.

 

Geez, dude, do you have to be hit over the head or what??

In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq’s war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein’s military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.

Edit: Just to remind you, this is what I posted:

Yes, the US backed Iraq...... to the point of providing targeting info on Iranian troops knowing Saddam would use chemical weapons on them.

I have completely proved it. That you can't see that is not my problem.

 

This is an interesting problem, are we to believe the intelligence community provides reliable intelligence to Trump in this case, but not in the case involving his collusion with Russia to win the election?

That's a big issue one cannot escape; it has been reliably established Trump does not respect or even sensibly consider the intelligence community's assessments, would this be sufficient for the intelligence community to withhold reliable intelligence?

I can only go by what has been reported; the tanker was about 40 miles from the Iranian coast, there was an explosion that made a small hole and caused a fire 3-6 feet above the waterline on the port side of the tanker; the US navy produced a picture showing the perforation by an explosive device and an un-detonated device at about the same height maybe 40 feet forward on the same side of the ship; there is video showing an armed speedboat drawing alongside the tanker and removing the un-detonated device; the speedboat pulling up to the tanker looks a lot like those used by Iran's forces to harass the US navy; another tanker passing nearby rescued the crew from the ship that was attacked, but were forced (at gunpoint) to turn in the rescued crew to the Iranians, Iran has great interest in conveying to its regional antagonists that it has the capacity to shut down their oil exports. These are all facts, there's no opinion, how does one reach the conclusion this has to be some "false flag" operation? Yes, I know Trump exaggerates a lot, but in this case, do you really think the CIA, Israel or the Saudis actually staged that videoed speedboat?

 

Cover for what?

Please give a reason why Iran would want to attack an oil tanker and then deny they did it