Iranian boats attempted to seize British tanker

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  1. notme

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    Indeed, Einstein... meaning they can just blow up any floating torch if they are attacked.
     
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    Iran is out of reach of the Israeli air force. And Israel is a tiny country. If Iran blows up the 3 biggest cities with missiles, than it's just bunch of towns of 250K or less. Do note,... Hezbollah was able to shoot a 100 missiles a day for well over a week without Israel being able to stop that. Iran is FAR more powerful than that.
     
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    The Ottoman pirates along the Barbary coast were Sunnis. I don't know if the Shias or Persians were pirates.

    I know in history, all the towns along the coast of Italy had emptied out because of them. They even went as far away as Britain for slaves. Barbarossa who was the most vicious and was considered the devil incarnate - went so far as to chew his combatants. He was considered an admiral by the Ottomans, and had a shrine dedicated to him near Constantinople. It might still be there. Who knows?
     
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    Iran is far more powerful that Saddam's Iraq. It's missiles can hit Israel all over, and bypass that shield that's hardly working anyways.
     
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    Are you referring to the era of the "letter of marque" and buccaneers practiced by most European maritime nations and the United States during the War of 1812 and also the Confederate States of America during the first two years of the American Civil War ?
     
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    The word "g o o k" is a Marine Corps slang for any person, place or thing that is different, strange or not American. It was first coined by U.S. Marines in Northern Africa during the Barbary Pirates War.

    Unknown to PC liberals, there were no Orientals in North Africa during the early 1800's just Muslims and camels.

    U.S. Navy Logs doesn't not say if the Marines were referring to Muslims or camels.
     
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    Sweden isn't socialist and neither was Mossadegh. He was a communist propped by the USSR and his first act was to scrap the constitution. He tried the same **** that Maduro did recently but in his case he failed. Being elected isn't a blank check to do as you please.
     
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    Who does or does t eat is up to the iranian people

    If they want to let the mullahs and their bodyguards get fat thats their fault not mine
     
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    Sanctions are ineffective against a regime that doesn't care about its people
     
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    Everyone Britain or the US didn't like was a "communist" back then. The US and Britain didn't give a Flying Fandango about the Constitution which was, after all, the Iranians to scrap. Mossa Degh nationalized he oil cos., that was why he was overthrown. The Law of Sovereign Nations says that a nation does have a 'blank check" to do what it wants with its OWN resources, just like you do with your own property as an individual.
     
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    1812 was the latter end of the great age of piracy, which had begun in the late 1600's, though the practice had a long history before that going back to Francis Drake and before. I THINK letters of marque became illegal at the Council of Vienna, though I am not sure of that, but yes, they were a major feature of the era.
     
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    21st-century American reconsideration of letters of marque
    Article 1 of the United States Constitution lists issuing letters of marque and reprisal in Section 8 as one of the enumerated powers of Congress, alongside the power to tax and to declare War. However, since the American Civil War, the United States as a matter of policy has consistently followed the terms of the 1856 Paris Declaration forbidding the practice. The United States has not legally commissioned any privateers since 1815, although the status of submarine-hunting Goodyear airships in the early days of World War II created significant confusion. Various accounts refer to airships Resolute and Volunteer as operating under a "privateer status", but Congress never authorized a commission, nor did the President sign one.

    The issue of marque and reprisal was raised before Congress after the September 11 attacks and again on July 21, 2007, by Congressman Ron Paul. The attacks were defined as acts of "air piracy" and the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 was introduced, which would have granted the president the authority to use letters of marque and reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state. The terrorists were compared to pirates in that they are difficult to fight by traditional military means. On April 15, 2009, Paul also advocated the use of letters of marque to address the issue of Somali pirates operating in the Gulf of Aden. However, the bills Paul introduced were not enacted into law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque#Abolition_of_privateering
     
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    The Barbary Pirates actually raided around Reyjavik, Iceland, in 1627, enslaving over 400 very surprised Icelanders. In 1631 they raided Baltimore, Ireland, enslaving at least 107 - pretty much the
    whole village. The total number of Europeans enslaved by the Barbary pirates has been estimated at over one million. We don't normally think of whites being enslaved in Africa, but that was the fate
    of tens of thousands. A notable European who was a galley slave for several years was Miguel de Cervantes who later wrote 'Don Quixote.'
     
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    Saddam had a top ten military and out first strike after SEAD would be to take out their launch capabilities and the shield does work. So what's your point, Iran's military would not last any longer than Saddam's did.
     
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    Where's my restitution!!!
     
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    They are when they start affecting the members of the regime as in freezing their accounts and their sources of income.
     
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    Well they didn't which is why the two mentions of religion in the Constitution are restrictions on religious involvement in government.[/QUOTE]

    Well they didn't which is why the only mention of religion in the Constitution is to restrict religious involvement and vice versa restricts any such involvement. And it never ceases to amazing that you support a country that is quite the opposite of one that show this love for humanity and justice over the free world.
     
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    You didn't get my point, I'm not surprised.
     
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    If the mullahs dont care about their people then neither do I

    But I suspect the regime is feeling a lot of pressure from within
     
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    We spend billions on Israel. they don't want the money they can tell us to pound tar.
     
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    We spend billions on neighboring Arab countries too.
     
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    Nobody cares who you care about. You make it pretty clear that it gratifies you to hear of the Iranian people suffering and you probably get some sort of satisfaction out of that since you know it makes Trump happy, like the little guy who follows the schoolyard bully around and giggles as he beats up 1st graders, but your problems are not what's being discussed here.

    You see, citizens of other countries are not all actually Americans trapped in the bodies of other nation's occupants as you seem to think. The Iranian people don't see their own leaders as the cause of their problems. They see their lack of food and medicines as being due to the people that actually cut those things off and they resent us for doing that to them. This strengthens their resolve to support their leaders. These sanctions are counterproductive, they do more harm to us than damage to the Mullahs.
     
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    It seems they really may not know that. Trump would probably have 'shock and awe' continue until there was complete surrender and then have a civilian reconstruction council appointed. Their present leaders, like Saddam, could then stand trial.
     
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    When Iranians are filling the streets chanting, "Death To America, Death To Israel", you do not want allow these religious freaks to have nukes. Allah will reward them only if they just shut up, stay at home, and don't try to get aggressive with anyone.
     
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    You believe that if the Iranian people do not engage in civil war they deserve to die. If they do engage in civil war then millions are killed. I heard that the reason the Iranians did not have a longer attempt at revolution was because they noted the US interference in other countries trying the same.

    What the US is wanting is the destruction of Iran and returning her to being a satellite of the US. What I hear is that the Iranian people would fight to the death to stop that. I hear there is nothing which they want less than American dominion and they know it is you who is harming them now. The US is the bully wanting to take over Iran's Sovereignty. The US is a country only a couple of hundred years old. Iran has been a place of continuous civilisation since around 7,000 BC. The US Christian Zionists want to destroy it for Israel and to bring the world to Armageddon. The Iranian people will fight you with everything they have.
     
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