The world is a tangled ball of yarn!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just got an exceptionally interesting essay from a friend:
    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.


    http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

    I have to admit that this idea of modern world problems being far more complex than I imagined decades ago is obviously true and important to understand.
     
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    What we don't accept is that Israel's treatment if the Palestinians is just about as evil as Hitler's treatment of the Jews in Germany.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for taking the time to read the opening post in the discussion about the response of Rabbi Shaul Marshall Praver to the ideas put forward by Congresswoman Cortez!

    I agree with you......... like you and Rabbi Shaul Praver and many others I do NOT accept the idea that the treatment of the Palestinians by the I.D.F. can be compared with the treatment of Jews by the Nazi's of WWII.


    Rabbi Shaul Marshall Praver
     
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    I believe in what is written in the Bible. If my hereditary land is located near Beirut (the tribe of Manasseh), then why should I be pleased with what is offered here:

    In fact, we should unravel the tangle from the very beginning. Are the Jews the chosen people of God? Where is the temple of God? Is Jesus Christ the Messiah or empty sound for Christians who do not want the Temple described in the Bible?

    When will the Temple be built, in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. When this Temple will be recognized by God's Temple. When Jesus Christ and the righteous who appeared in the new Temple will be recognized as the manifestation of God. When the nations will fulfill the will of God and will allocate to Israel the land that God has appointed him. When I can return to my homeland - then I will say: Scripture has been fulfilled, may peace come. But until that day, I have another word on my lips: there is no peace for the wicked.

    I think that I am not alone in such thoughts.
     
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    But it is evil. Just not as evil.
     
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    I think the Palestinians are lucky the Jews have the past that they do, Jews can't wipe out the Palestinians as that would make them like the Germans of their past and they do not want that
     
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    If the Jews didn't have the past they do they wouldn't have been given the Palestinian land in the first place!
     
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    well, guess that is true too
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bob in Delaware read you message and sent me his response:

     
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    What Mr. Robert Mendelson offers here has off the scale ARTISTIC VALUE
    that potentially could launch the nation of Israel and the Jewish people into
    the position of being able to wrestle the world economy out of the hands of people
    who I believe were far too strongly influenced by the ideas of Robert Thomas Malthus!

    I admit that I could be wrong but back in September 2015 a young Israeli named Natan was shown
    some off the scale scary information that I believe has ARTISTIC VALUE that can alter the world economy........

    if...... we will beseech G-d for wisdom and understanding on how to use what he was shown?????

    He uses the name "Obama" in the video but...... he does NOT necessarily mean President Obama......
    he could be referring to President Obama's astonishingly courageous older half brother?????

    Is Malik Obama one of the worlds' most courageous Muslims?



     
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    Yes, of course, I believe that the Tanakh and the New Testament are the word of God.

    Dennis, generally speaking, you can not read further. This is not God's plan.

    But I still read. Although the card is wrong. Here is the correct map corresponding to the prophecy of Ezekiel:

    israel-ez-en.jpg

    The measurement method is given in the prophecy of Ezekiel:



    Note: quoting Muhammand is equivalent to quoting the devil.

    An appeal to genetics is inappropriate: a Jew is one who has the appropriate spirit, the flesh is secondary.

    This "peace plan" is utter nonsense because it ignores the Holy Scriptures. Sorry, Dennis, I have no words for the commentary, there is nothing to comment on. If this plan is promoted in your church, then you better run away before it is too late.


    We knew about the true location of the Third Temple back in the 90s. When Sid Roth came to St. Petersburg, my wife managed to break through the crowd of bodyguards and she handed over our records to Sid Roth. But I think he threw them away later. This is not a man of God. After that, I additionally wrote to the USA in the mission of Sid Roth, but there was no answer. This sect is completely beyond God's reality. After all the experiments with the "expansion of the mind," Sid Roth landed in an even worse network.

    A peace plan can be realized only if it comes from God. Therefore, God must come first. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is carried out through the medium of the Third Temple, which must be built in a certain place, in the Judean desert. Any other options are doomed to failure.
     
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    I open the prophecy of Ezekiel and read: what can I do from what is written?

    The prophecy indicates the borders of Israel Can I come and settle in places that correspond to my tribe of Israel? No! According to the prophecy of Ezekiel, my tribe of Manasseh should receive land plots near Beirut, in Lebanon, but we will not be allowed in there.

    I look, and where should God's House be built according to Ezekiel? On the territory of Israel, in the Judean desert, the place is free from foreign buildings. Why not do something that can be done today?

    Oh, it turns out that this is absolutely not possible, because someone screwed one crooked screw into the heads of Jews and Christians: the Temple can be built ONLY in Jerusalem!

    Please unscrew what does not correspond to the prophecy of Ezekiel from your brain. To do this, read the prophecy of Ezekiel. Do not load your brains with other people's interpretations. Take a map of Israel and draw a scheme of holdings that are listed in the prophecy of Ezekiel. You will find the same place for the Temple: in the Judean Desert, between Ein Gedi and Hebron.

    No need to look at the opinions of others. There is no need to look for political options within the current political system. It is enough that this place in the Judean Desert is free: the temple can be built.
     
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    These dimensions in the prophecy of Ezekiel are indicated in reeds, not cubits. When it says "toward the north", this indicates the direction of measurement in the measurement process, and not the northern side of the rectangle.

     
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    As for the fact that this “peace plan” writes about the Palestinians and about their right to return, this is just a blatant lie. Firstly, there is no "Palestinian people", they are ordinary Arabs. Secondly, Isaiah writes about the return of the lost tribes of Israel, and not some alien rabble.

    In general, this document, "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land", is another trick of the devil. I think that we should not pay any attention to such documents: it is a void.

    The matter of principle is the restoration of the lost tribes of Israel, which have nothing to do with the Arab people, or with the Muslim religion, but these tribes under the name "Ephraim" are today hidden among Christians. It is the Third Temple that is the place where the representatives of this hidden part of Israel can gather. Therefore, all attempts to solve the problems of Israel without the participation of the lost tribes of Israel are doomed to failure. This "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land" is in fact a plan without the participation of God, even a plan against God.
     
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    Actually..... modern genetic research indicates that the bulk of the Palestinian people may
    be descended from the first century Messianic Jewish community who permanently separated from
    Rabbinic Judaism at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt.

    Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?





    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai


    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm
    "And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch................Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. [9] Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob."



     
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    Here is what happened:

     
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    I can tell you with complete certainty that this theory is false. The tribes of Israel from the Northern Kingdom were lost much earlier, before the Babylonian captivity. And the prophecies of the Bible indicate that these tribes will return and join the current Jews with the help of Jesus Christ. Islam has absolutely nothing to do with it, and genetic research about Arabs is meaningless. You do not need to look for the spirit in the genetic code. Perhaps fragments of the genetic code of Abraham will be found in 90% of all people, but they are not Jews, and they will never return to Eretz Yisrael as heirs to the earth. Jewry is not a property of the genetic code. Jewry is determined by promise. Jewry is determined from within. The current Jews have this spirit (but I'm not sure about the Ethiopian Jews, and about others who have adopted Judaism). This spirit from Abraham is also present in some of the Christians who are the elect. This does not apply to any rubbish that accidentally hit the net to the fishermen.
     

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