Israel says Arrow-3 missile shield passes U.S. trials, warns Iran

Israel's economy is smaller than Nigeria's. It is insignificant viewed in the context of the global economy. And Israel cannot even defend itself without massive foreign assistance. Israel is actually a large burden on the west. It causes us constant headaches and problems that we would not have otherwise.

 

My friend,

I’ve ate more spare ribs and drunk more fine cognac with Muslims than with any other people. I had a misfortune of being in Osh in June of 2010... trust me, Islam is evil

 

No, Israel's enemies constantly attacking is what causes the headaches.

 

The US Fighter Pilot and hero Dan Hampton talked about his time in the middle east and he talks about the fact that his Arab hosts drank a lot while America policy was no alchohol.

 

One or two examples, please.
Just examples. No references or links requested.

 

The US government was not created to export your morality.

So if the US does not expend massive amounts of resources shielding Israel, the US won't have oil? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Like what?

The only Americans who "care deeply" about Israel are evangelical wackos who think the rapture is coming. The rest of America barely even notices or cares.

 

Wow, how little do some people know... amazing.

...Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 900 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population... tell me again if the world does not benefit from the Jewish intellect?

Ah yes... did you know, Israel s full of Jews?

 

While I don't like the attempts to fuel anti-Muslim sentiments and hatred, and find the polemics against Muslims mostly driven ultimately by the kind of agendas that seek to subjugate the region for neo-imperialist objectives, mostly recently as part of the neocon blue print represented by what was not long ago PNAC, ultimately I am not interested in getting bogged down in discussions about religion or the lives of any of the ancient prophets. I am not religious at all; in fact, I am agnostic and absent the geopolitical dimensions of these arguments, would have little dog in these fights to cheer. But if I did have such a dog, I would probably want to promote the basic tenants of Zoroastrianism (stripped of some of its ancient rituals) and would find some interesting lessons in some other non-Abrahamic religions as well. The Abrahimic religions have been the most influential in the lives of people in the Europe and the Middle East and elsewhere that fell on each of their influences, but am not sure that has been for the best for any of those who have been straddled with their fables and fantasies.

 

True story.

 

I actually don't have any problem with "Jewish" intellect, so far as the focus is on those Jews who have such intellect. But the same way I find it rather ridiculous that there are ignorant, totally unproductive, mentally challenged, "whites", who engage in racism by attaching themselves to the achievements of other "white" people to bring down those who they are below them, I think we each ultimately should stand by own individual resumes and achievements. To be sure, I have no problems people cheering their "team", but as long as that cheering is all fun and to promote positive pride, not when it turns ugly and becomes its own form of hooliganism.

 

Just read the article posted in the beginning of this thread. Quote from Netanyahu: “Today Israel has the capabilities to act against ballistic missiles launched at us from Iran and from anywhere else,” Netanyahu said on Sunday. “All our foes should know that we can best them, both defensively and offensively.”

Netanyahu is massively exaggerating these test results. Because in the real world, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc. have thousands and thousands of missiles. Has the Arrow-3 missile shield been tested under such conditions? No, not even close. There is no missile defense system in existence today that can form a perfect seal around a territory the size of Israel. If Israel gets into a large war with its regional adversaries, Israel is going to get pounded. Their missile defense systems will only serve to mitigate the damage. And Israel knows this.

 

The American government doesn't exist to bend to your ideas either.

If it weren't for Israel all the arab nations would be more or less united against the west and the Suez Canal which the west built would be closed.


Like what? Climate change. Americans don't care about it, thats just one little example.

So you are suggesting evangelicals should be ignored?

 

Like chanting death to America and calling Israel a cancer that needs to be wiped offvthe planet?

 

You counted them?

I was hoping for other topical areas where Israel has exaggerated . . .


My guess is secrecy serves Israel better than advertising in most cases.
The anti missile missile success was worth advertising.
I guess will be purchasing more Israeli technology.

 

The Arrow 3, like everything else Israel has, is heavily (hugely) dependent on US technology, not to mention funding. In fact, if there were barriers to the flow of intellectual property, and barriers to the flow of materials and funds of the kind that exist against Iran, not only there would be no Arrow 3 (a joint US-Israel project), but there wouldn't be much else in Israel either.

The fact is that while many of the "Jews" living in the west have been rather productive and industrious in the advancements of Western civilization, and have played important parts in those advancements at various times, they are ultimately an appendage to it.

 

If Israel gets in a large scale war the enemies missiles would be destroyed on the ground before their enemies even knew there was a war on.

 

Iran can do what big boys do and fire a missile at Tehran. See if the jews can actually kill their missile.

 

There is no reason why that needs to be a headache for Americans. It's not our responsibility or our problem. And if Israel is as tough as it and its supporters claim, then it doesn't need us to protect it. So which one is it? Is Israel a big tough guy or does it depend on outside protection? Can't have it both ways.

 

It's always good to help the good guy. That is why we support Israel no different that suppoting the UK.

 

I'm not trying to get it to bend to my ideas, you are.

Western support for Israel is the biggest reason why so many Arabs are anti-western in the first place. So you have it exactly backwards.

Give an example of me saying that "climate change" is an issue that the government needs to address.

I'm suggesting that evangelical support for Israel is motivated largely by their wacky religious beliefs in the end times. If the rest of the country were wise, they'd make sure that US foreign policy was not influenced by such religious extremism.

 

"...a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."
--George Washington

Yeah, that must be why the US supports Saudi Arabia, the most authoritarian and regressive regime on the planet.

 

Yes you are trying to keep us from trying to do the right thing by not supporting Israel.

So Muslim hate for Israel should influence American foreign policy? Wr should cave on doing the right thing to appease their hatred?

You never said you did i just picked a typical progressive extreme position.


I don't care what you suggest based on your wacko extremism either.

 

You must be referring to yourself, because everything I just said is based on solid evidence.

We're talking about Israel, not Jews in general. If you do not understand the difference between those two things, then you're not minimally informed enough to discuss this issue seriously. If you understand the difference, then you are intentionally misrepresenting the truth, which is even worse. So which one is it?

 

The right thing for America to do would be to follow the wisdom of our founders. Unfortunately, progressives like you are deeply opposed to a genuinely conservative foreign policy.

The only thing that should influence US foreign policy is the common defense of the States. US support for Israel has no nexus to our common defense, therefore there is no legitimate reason for the US government to assume responsibility for Israel's defense.

So you made an assumption about me that wasn't based on actual evidence.

What wacko extremism? The belief that we should follow the advice of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?

 

So the example given in this thread is not good enough for you. Sounds like no amount of examples would be good enough for you. Sounds like you just want to deny the obvious. No matter. Even Israelis themselves admit that they cannot stop thousands of missiles from penetrating their missile defense.