Israeli air strikes target Palestinian group in eastern Lebanon

It was better than European Zionism.

 

oh so life in the Muslim world was better for the Jews than living in Israel today?

LOL!!!

 

While many of them probably have an idealized or romanticized view of how things used to be, most Iranian Jews who live in Israel would say: YES. Only if the regime would change, life in Iran was much better. I have little doubt that is what most of them would say, since even Iranian Jews who live in the US (where most prefer to live, as opposed to Israel, which has only attracted a small minority of Iranian Jews the past couple of decades) would tell me that regularly!

These reports don't touch on the issue you raise directly, but the pull and loyalty of Iran even among Jews who left the country quite a while ago, should tell you that it wasn't all that bad living in a "Muslim country" either!

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/07/146484459/jews-with-ties-to-iran-and-israel-feel-conflicted
Jews With Ties To Iran And Israel Feel Conflicted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...9a47e2-e518-11e4-ae0f-f8c46aa8c3a4_story.html
I am going to skip over the political issues and focus on the issue of identity and loyalty. And you will see that even among Iranian Jews who have left Iran for a while now, the attitude isn't uniform on whether they see themselves first as Jews, or Iranians, or both.

 

I read Iraqi Jews living in Israel were crying when the Iraq war was on.

 

Please don't tell me what I do and don't.
Here is a quote from wiki:

 

Flattery will only get you so far...

 

I was giving you the benefit of not deliberately giving false information. Avnery was there. He wrote a fair bit about it. Their was no shooting of rockets from Lebanon to Israel for the previous 11 months. Avnery has also written elsewhere about Sharon speaking to him about it 9 months before it happened.

 

Thanks for letting us in on some of Iran's inner workings.
I am a little confused about who is Maziar Bahrami? Is he the same man as Maziar Ebrahimi? Did you make a typing error?
I am disappointed that Iran engages in torture. All their religious fanaticism is worth nothing! They belong in the same pot with the US, the Saudis and Israel.

 

What is "Palestine" ?
As an Arab, you should know that the best place in the world for Muslims is Israel... i feel you do not want to live in Gaza under Hamas

 

Yes, I had initially wrote his name wrong and then corrected it elsewhere but missed that one.

The use of torture in Iran is illegal, but practiced in some cases, especially those where the intelligence or law enforcement agency at issue is trying to project an image of being able to catch and punish all wrong doers. Otherwise, it is generally understood in Iran that such practice does not actually help find real culprits and this case stands to prove it. Getting false confessions through torture isn't just a crime against the individuals who are being tortured, but also indirectly also makes sure that actual guilty people aren't being pursued as a case that should remain open is then closed. Many of the actual culprits in this particular case benefited from this practice and that was ultimately a big crime against the family of even those innocent scientists who had been killed by Israeli paid agents. And some of them may still be living and working in Iran, when a proper investigation might have caught them instead.

Which then brings me to this larger point: it doesn't matter which "group" you belong to, if you are doing things more to advance your own interest (here, to claim a success for the intelligence ministry controlled by the government, to deflect pressure and enhance their individual careers) as opposed to interests of your nation as reflected in its generally accepted laws, then you are ultimately not the "good guys". There is a lot of corruption and even treason within Iran's reformist camp, which undermines some of their otherwise more meritorious slogans. To be sure, the other camp in Iran has its own corruption as well. Both, however, also quite decent people doing what they believe is to be just and fair. Using a large brush to paint any large group because of political issues, usually means supporting some very nasty individuals who happen to be in your group and hurting some very decent people in the opposing group.

 

Iran is a big $hithole ... who knows how much that dude recieved for those propaganda pics.
You sure hate the US .. look how many times you mentioned them in your post ..
100% of the people i know would prefer to live in USA than under the Ayatullas fanatic region.
But .. i must add that Iran is a beautiful country... so is North Korea.

 

Despite what you might believe, or pretend to believe, even folks who hold views of Iran similar to yours, and who have been busy spewing this kind of nonsense, when actually taking a trip to see Iran, come away with at least slightly more informed and certainly less childish views of it. This guy isn't alone; in fact, you can google and find stories from practically anyone who has actually visited Iran. The impressions and stories are the same, some even glowing in the praise they heap on Iran. Even rabidly pro Zionist, pro Israeli, conservative Jewish writers who have visited Iran have come away speaking a lot more intelligently on the subject than the nonsense you spew.

I don't subscribe to the things she says that reflect her overall political ideology and are ultimately informed by a lot of ignorance that a trip to Iran won't immediately resolve. But I post her reaction to her trip to Iran mainly because of she said towards the end of the interview she had with Israeli television: she was asked "what surprised you the most about Iran?" And she immediately said: "how much I fell in love with the country"! The interviewer asks: "Really"? She continues: "Because, aside from Israel, I have never fallen so deeply in love with a country." (Go to minute 11:40-11:45 in the video clip below). And this from someone in the opposite camp of Iran, who still holds numerous views about it that are simply wrong.

 

What are you saying? That it is legal to practice torture in Iran? Or that despite it being illegal, sometimes pepole who are trying usually to peddle their own credentials (or show themselves more efficient and capable than they really are) commit such acts? If it is the former, you are simply ignorant. Not only is torture banned by Iran's constitution, but there is specific legislation in Iran that outlines the contours of legal interrogation techniques to prevent such torture. And under both specific legislation and constitutional provisions (Article 38 of the Constitution as well as "Law to Respect Legitimate Freedoms and Protect Civil Liberties aka the "Civil Liberties law") any confession obtained through torture is specifically also inadmissible in court. Indeed, it is because of such laws that a person like Maziar Ebrahimi would be able to take his case to court in Iran and sue Iran's intelligence ministry, obtaining a settlement of his claims in the process, long before he had left the country and was giving the interviews he gave to BBC Persian.

 

"Propaganda pics"??? The guy didn't even come close to showing any such thing! Maybe if you had said that abou the video below, you would be closer to the truth, although I personally think the best shots of Iran are those from top that show you the entire place you are going to then zoom your camera on. Which is why the best place for anyone to start to show Tehran, is to go to the Milad Tower and first take a look at the city (in all of its angles, being able to zoom on any part of it through the telescopes there) from above. All cities have nicer and less nice areas to show.

 

Despite what you might believe, or pretend to believe .. answer this .. How many people in the world want or ask for American Visa ?
How many want to visit USA ?
Than compare the number to the amount of people who wish to tour Iran ... Joke !
Numbers are the fact ! Not pretty words

 

The endless numbers of people who were turtured and escaped from Iran is the fact that Iran is a very bad place if you speak against the mighty Ayatullas..

 

Did you read what i wrote .. ?
I wrote that i think Iran is a beautiful country... and most of the Persians are good people.
Your leaders are the filth.

 

The number of travelers to Iran, despite efforts by the US to prevent it, isn't nearly as low as you imagine. In fact, 5 million people visit Iran each year. The numbers are smaller from the US, but are in the tens of thousands from European countries. This despite the fact if you travel to Iran and aren't an American, you unfortunately will find it hard to travel to the US as even Boris Johnson's girlfriend recently found out! And if you are American, to reciprocate America's kindness to Iranians through such measures as fingerprinting and now the travel ban, there are also restrictions and hassles that apply to get to travel to Iran. But, for most people around, the world, travel to Iran is simple: as simple as hopping on the plane and collecting a visa (even if required) at the airport.

 

You did read what you wrote, which besides saying Iran is beautiful and so is N.Korea, stated:
"Iran is a big $hithole ... who knows how much that dude recieved for those propaganda pics."

 

I wanted to add this to what I wrote:
If the only thing people who like to promote falsehoods about IRAN said was that its "leaders are filth", I wouldn't bother responding at all! I consider most political leaders everywhere to be ultimately corrupt and without much in the way of principle. This is equally if not more true of America's political figures and leaders. Below is what I was going to write elsewhere about them in relation to the Epstein case and more, but I will post it here instead:

Whether he [Epstein] was murdered, his suicide facilitated, or he just committed suicide, there is a lot that Americans would probably learn about their own government, its leaders, and some of its corrupt links, following the trail of sex and money that he left behind.

I wish there could be a truly 'independent' investigation, led by someone with powers similar to the special prosecutors appointed to investigate ultimately nonsensical and politicized claims such as Whitewater and Bengazi, to actually investigate the dealings and connections of Epstein. Indeed, if that was done, there could be some actual dirt to throw against Bill Clinton and others who were being targeted by ridiculous investigations, but not because of any role in this guy's murder/suicide. But to show what a corrupt bunch much of America's leadership on both sides of this somewhat fictitious divide have really become!

My view: America's politics has, for the most part, been taken over by folks who earn their real salaries, not from their government payroll, but by the kind of favorable sweetheart deals they get once out of office, through a zillion special interest group controlled law firms, defense contractors, media organs, think tanks etc,. People who are kept under leash by not only knowing that, those whose support they need to succeed have billions of dollars to use to either help or hurt them, but also sometimes just because they also know that there are ultimately too many "compromising" pictures of them on islands such as the one ran by Epstein.

The truth will never come out unless the people are interested to allow it to be first investigated. Investigated seriously, honestly, and with the kind of support and resources that even sham investigations that have been conducted receive. I hope this guy's murder/suicide leads to such an investigation, with no 'sacred cows' spared. In that case, this scum might end doing more good because of his death than anything he did when he was living.

 

First, most Iranians who left Iran in the wake of the revolution weren't tortured or anything of the sort. But, even more to the point, all significant or true revolutions in history go through what is called a "Thermidorian phase", which is an extremist phase early in a revolution's life. Iran was no different. My own family left Iran at the time because, at that time, some of what was said about Iran actually had a grain of truth in it. 40 years since, the picture is now not only outdated, but fundamentally a lie.

 

Quoting a failed far left politician is no proof.
He will say anything to advance his agenda.

 

Talking about quoting politicians: You must realize that the propaganda and lies against aren't doing a good job, and are robbing practically all Iranians with any sense of dignity (not found in the MEK crowd the US has chosen to hand around with), when even the Shah's own long time confident and foreign minister, writes a piece like the one below to condemn American foreign policy. And in support of the foreign policy of a regime that would have executed him if he had not escaped from Iran.

http://zahedi.ch/2018/05/31/cats_will_dream_of_mice/
Cats will Dream of Mice, Foolish Wishful Thinking!
The letter was published in May 31, 2018 in New York Times.

American Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo’s statement on Iran was both bewildering and saddening. As the head of foreign policy of a great power, and previously as the director of the CIA, he should be better informed about Iran, its people, and its history.

Bullying rarely succeeds and has never succeeded against the nation of Iran. Through the millennia of its history, my country has never stooped or bowed to foreigners and has always remained united in the face of adversity. Whatever their opinion of their current government may be, under outside threats, Iran’s noble people always stand together and help defend their homeland. History has quickly taught foreign aggressors to abandon their wishful thinking of crushing Iran. Cats will dream of mice. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO CRUSH IRAN.

With a territory of 636,000 square miles and a population of eighty-two million, Iran is not Iraq. Iran will be able to resist a foreign military attack.
...
Iran is denounced for interfering in Syria. What is not mentioned is that Iran is in Syria by the invitation of Syria, the legitimate government of a sovereign nation. It is the presence in Syria of secret armies from the US and other Western countries that violates international law.

The continuous carnage, brutality and other atrocities against the civilian population of Yemen is not only a war crime but an attack on humanity...How can we ever justify the massacre of innocent children and the starvation and destruction of a country? What madness is responsible for this unprecedented tragedy? Is this twenty-first-century justice?
...
The social situation in Iran will undoubtedly evolve. I have great hope and confidence in the youth of Iran, whose character, intelligence and competence will shape the country’s future. I am happy and hopeful when I see that in the four corners of the earth, most experts on the region see reality more clearly and publicly defend the honor and rights of my noble Iranian brothers and sisters. I both appreciate and respect their views.

Ardeshir Zahedi
Villa Les Roses
1820 ontreux, Switzerland
May 25, 2018

 

75 Million or more come to tour USA each year ..