Israeli air strikes target Palestinian group in eastern Lebanon

Do you remember the Sabra and Shatilla Massacre, Israel's betrayal of President Reagan and the bombing of the Marine Barracks?

 

the baracks were bombed by Hezbollah

 

Yes.. in retaliation for Sabra and Shatilla. Reagan promised the women, children and old people left behind when the PLO left would be safe.

Ariel Sharon armed the Philangists and guarded the perimeter while the helpless were slaughtered.

Sharon was a real butcher. Remember Deir Yassin in Mandatory Palestine?

 

By the time Muhamad died most Muslims were living outside of Arabia.
What does it mean? Nothing.
What are you trying to say?

 

Another case of one Arab faction slaughterring another and you come here blaming the Jews.
What is new?

 

i remember this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Etzion_massacre#The_Massacre

 

What does "being anti Israel" even mean ? This could mean being against any action done by Israel ? What a load of mindless nonsense ?

 

Fine, it's a primarily race based religion where thoes arabs who convert are considered even worse.
Doesn't change the fact that being anti Israel is hate based not fact based.

 

You don't. You think you do but you don't. In one of his articles Uri Avnery described this as an example of if you tell a lie often enough people will start to believe it.

http://www.jahrbuch2006.studien-von-zeitfragen.de/Uri_Avnery/Lebanon_Action/lebanon_action.html

 

Nah.. Jews lived and prospered all over the Arab world for 1300 years and the Palestinians protected all the holy sites of the patriarchs. Many Jews moved to Hebron in 1500 from Spain and Portugal without incident. Perhaps you should learn something about the Middle East before European Zionism.

 

If they bothered to read Moshe Dayan and Sharrett they would know that to be true.

 

Shiraz is a beautiful city, much more beautiful now than what your father would remember. The Jewel of Irano-Islamic civilization, however, is Isfahan, while the capital of modern, westernized, Iran is Tehran. The places your father worked in are the south of Iran, which is culturally, ethnically and in many other ways quite different from where the overwhelming majority in Iran live. That said, even places like Bandar Abbas and, to a lesser extent, Bushehr have also developed quite a bit and are going to a be a lot different than when he was there.

 

haha!!!

the Jews were persecuted many times in the Muslim world, and could not enter the Tomb of the Patriarchs.


During the more than 1,000 years of Muslim rule in North Africa and the Middle East, Jews frequently suffered extreme discrimination, expulsions, massacres, and pogroms, at the hands of the ruling Muslims. This was all centuries before Zionism was a mere concept.

The Jews of Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, all suffered under these conditions. They all suffered from persecution and pogroms.

Doubt this? Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._of_Israel#Middle_Ages_.28636.E2.80.931517.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_algeria#Muslim_dominance_era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_egypt#Arab_rule_.28641_to_1250.29

 

I have no doubt that Jews weren't treated as well as some would like to claim in Muslim countries in the past. Although their treatment was still better than what they faced in Europe, it goes without saying that being a distinct minority with a different faith living during periods in history where most people were uneducated, susceptible to believing the worse about the "other", and far more open to religious bigotry, would all create conditions for various forms of discrimination and persecution. Even in Iran, before the Pahlavi dynasty, that was true. Even during the Pahlavi dynasty, as late as the time of the Iranian revolution, there were many Iranians who still held to rather obscure beliefs about Jews and, in fact, any non-Muslims. For instance, I went to an "international school" in Iran, with a lot of American classmates. Whenever any of them would visit for us to play, after he would leave, our maid would break the glass he had used to drink water saying it was "najes" (impure). But the amazing thing is that I don't see any of that in Iran anymore! That kind of bigotry is gone, even though we now have an Islamic theocracy whereas before Iran was had a western oriented monarchy. Yet, the bigotry in western societies (which have a history of turning bigotry into various political or politicized ideologies) has not disappeared much at all. More amazing still, a people who were long persecuted because of such bigotry, and who actually played a critical role in removing some of it from the structures of American law and were in the forefront of a vision of America that sought to judge people by the "content of their character", and not their religion or race or ethnicity, include so many who are now taking a page of the Nazi playbook and playing almost the same game with "Muslims" that the Nazis played with the Jews. The Islamophobia I see fanned by supporters of Israel in pages such as in this forum is truly disturbing.

 

They got along far better than they did in Europe or Russia.. Do you remember Samuel Untermyer (March 6, 1858 – March 16, 1940).. He was a Zionist and raised millions of dollars for the 6 million starving Jews of Europe in the 1920s and 30s. He had also hired Cyrus Scofield and published the Scofield Bible.

 

Where you and I might disagree, Margot, is something that relates to Saudi Arabia and the Wahhabi creed it indoctrinates its people (and many others outside its borders) in. I see bigotry a product of ignorance and being uneducated; of being able to make sweeping generalizations about the "other" and believing the worse, merely because you don't get to see enough of that "other" and aren't educated enough to understand the true reasons behind what you are complaining about. Ordinarily, this bigotry loses its grip as people become more educated. But there is an exception to education reducing such bigotry: that exception arises from when a society develops and fosters an ideology which encourages and incites such outright bigotry. We have had that in the West in the various forms of ideology that have been developed there to incite and justify hatred of other people. We also have that in the kind of things that are taught by Wahhabi indoctrination. These things are taught about Jews, Christians, and even many Muslims (Shias etc). That then creates a situation where you will find even formally educated people who are not only freed of such bigotry, but even more indoctrinated and more able to propagate it!

 

yes, and I heard the Warsaw Ghetto was much more livable than Auschwitz

 

Not sure what that has to do with anything..

Israel deserves to be a state with at least the 1967 borders yes they have been attacked and persecuted since the early 1900s. By the way Zionism is a good thing.

 

NO.. They want more land and water that's why they attacked Egypt while Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen. Remember? They attacked the USS Liberty and killed a bunch of US sailors.

 

The atrack on the Liberty was a mistake.

They attacked Egypt because Egyptian forces were threatening them..

 

remember how tens of thousands of Egyptian troops were massed on the Sinai border?

In May 1967, Nasser received false reports from the Soviet Union that Israel was massing on the Syrian border.[38] Nasser began massing his troops in two defensive lines[39] in the Sinai Peninsula on Israel's border (16 May), expelled the UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai (19 May) and took over UNEF positions at Sharm el-Sheikh, overlooking the Straits of Tiran.[40][41] Israel repeated declarations it had made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war,[42][43] but Nasser closed the Straits to Israeli shipping on 22–23 May.

On 30 May, Jordan and Egypt signed a defense pact. The following day, at Jordan's invitation, the Iraqi army began deploying troops and armoured units in Jordan.[48] They were later reinforced by an Egyptian contingent




doesnt take a genius to see that an Arab attack was coming

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...l-but-war-unlikely-deputy-chief-idUSKCN1VI0KN
Hezbollah to hit back at Israel but war unlikely: deputy chief

 

What are you saying? The Warsaw ghetto was a horror. Those poor people were starving and many committed suicide.

 

yes but it was still nicer than Auschwitz.

just like how the Muslim world was better for Jews than the Christian world.

 

No Nasser had just asked for a summit to resolve the issue of the Strait. Read Moshe Dayan .. Israel planned this attack for years and years.