Susan Collins' vote for Kavanaugh

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the Guardian: Could Susan Collins' vote for Kavanaugh help the Democrats flip the Senate in 2020? - excerpt:
    The HofR has been cleaned of the wretched Replicants. Now it's the turn of the Senate*.

    And, who knows, maybe three-out-of-four* if the Dems can win the presidency. Which will allow them to correct some of the mistakes made over the past Replicant administrations. But, not all can be done.

    The Replicants have stuffed the Supreme Court as well, which is (incredibly) a lifetime job - and should have never happened. Who the hell ever put that devious condition into law? Didn't Europe teach the US that life-long reigns of power ultimately turns to political rot ?

    Where there's the will, there's often a way - but it is ever so difficult nowadays ...

    *There are actually four "political powers" in the US: the HofR, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. Three elective but one decidedly not.
     
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    Unseating Collins is an Absolute MUST, if the Dems want any chance of winning the Senate.

    Hopefully, Collins EGREGIOUS (and Unforgivable) lack of judgement (in voting for Brett K.) will cost her the Senate Seat.
     
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    It's astounding that the more the Kavanaugh charges are exposed as obvious lies the more the liberals believe them.
     
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    No more astounding than the blind faith being put in the imbecile in chief
     
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    This represents a short term win we need desperately. Collins is vulnerable and it is foolish not to take full advantage. But I can't help but note this is exactly the precarious situation we tend to keep Moderates of both parties in swing or purple states/ districts. They are in danger from the opposite party if they don't compromise at just the right times, and in danger from their base if they do compromise at many of the same times.

    This was the same Collins who voted not to kill Obamacare when pressured by the entire GOP, and we are in just as much debt to her for her no vote then we are McCain and was on board efforts to come to compromise on immigration and DACA. If we succeed there will be one less Senator with any credibility to structure deals on bipartisan legislation. This is exactly why we have total obstruction and stagnation in Washington.
     
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    republicans have many seats up for grabs in 2020, they were lucky that in 2018 they did not have many seat open
     
  7. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    THE INFORMATION AGE

    True, but such factual evidence is somewhat irrelevant given the overwhelming fact we must rid ourselves of this cataclysmic error (of the Electoral College) of a PotUS.

    Four more years of this jerk will push the US further into a crevice. Believe me, the fact that we have low unemployment nowadays is an historical blip that Donald Dork is enjoying.

    It is NOT cast in concrete as the world changes fundamentally from the Industrial Age into the Information Age. Meaning what?

    We must assure that more and more of our work-force must be educated to a higher-level in order to assure their job-security. Meaning further that Post-secondary Education must become free, gratis and for nothing.

    Which is what Hillary promised! Nobody seems to remember her Campaign Promise to bring FREE Postsecondary Education to all families with Incomes less than $100K a year. A high-school diploma will no longer do.

    And yet,
    over 80% of all imprisoned for various crimes do not even have that level of education! From here:
    Moreover, as I never tire of arguing: We are spending more than half of the National Discretionary Budget on just the DoD. (See here.) To do what? Protect the world from Jihadists?

    Can we not better use that money to educate our own people to prepare them for the Brave New World of the Information Age - when jobs will require a much higher level of learning?

    Apparently not!?! Then let's prepare ourselves for the consequences of perpetually high unemployment. As well as even worse Income Disparity whereas the US has already one of the worst of any developed nation* ...

    *See that ranking here of all comparable OECD countries.
     
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    Granted, she is an intelligent woman. But, is that enough when America's central problems are (1) a dysfunctional PotUS that must be replaced and (2) widespread Income Disparity that has sparked the developed world's highest rate of incarceration. Is it not clear that those who have the capacity to learn more & better will do so only if they can afford it?

    And, as I never tire of explaining: As a nation, we must get off our Collective Arses, because only we together can undertake the challenge of fundamental change. And by this I mean allowing for free Post-secondary Education - which, yes indeed, is going to be very expensive - but that does not in the least mean we should avoid it.

    Just like we did at the beginning of the 20th century when the US undertook to make Secondary Schooling a public-service, we must now do the same for Tertiary-level Schooling ...
     
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    So you agree that the charges against Kavanaugh are lies. An rare honest liberal?
     
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    I was always told to never interrupt your opposition when they're making a mistake, so I will remain quiet.
     
  11. LafayetteBis

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    No, Kavanaugh deserves what is coming to him. He is typical of the pathetically male-verve in Replicants to prefer "power" over "intelligence" or even "basic common sense".

    Power without Common Sense always leads to political disaster. People confuse their own desires with the varied needs of the whole nation. Such selfishness leads always ultimately to disaster. (I'm not sure the Dems are any different. Our ex-VP Biden is far too old for the office he seeks. He just does not know what to do with himself - so why not run for the presidency?)

    But that's exactly where the Replicants are today with Donald Dork - who is probably the worst accidental selection for PotUS since Dubya. I'm not sure where the failure lies - with the American people or the Replicant party - or maybe both?

    We seem to have complete opposites in terms of political parties. One on the Center-left that thinks it must do EVERYTHING to fix the nation and the other Center-right that thinks as long as upper-income taxation is low, all is fine.

    The truth of where the best political circumstance exists is likely somewhere in between. And the correction almost certainly starts with the almost unlimited ability to accumulate Wealth. Whyzzat?

    Because Wealth is something that the entire economy generates (by the interaction of both Supply&Demand), and
    our Bad Management as regards taxation allows its fruits to be concentrated in a Very Select Few Families ...
     
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    What's coming to Kavanaugh? Be specific please.
     
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    Any vote for O'Kavanaugh was misplaced, not for the sex stuff, but for his demeanor AND the unethical document production.

    Collins and Gardner are worm food, as is Doug Jones in Redneck-abama..

    I have some other obvious targets, but its early..
     
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    Well, there goes the neighborhood. The radical left wing has taken over the democrat party and they are counter to all American values.
     
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    His destitution from the Supreme Court. As shown here: Impeaching a Supreme Court justice, explained
    -excerpt:
    Read on ...

     
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    No body has corroborated anything.

    The accusations remain uncorrborated, unsupported by evidence and without credibility.

    Sorry can't impeach for simple allegations so try again
     
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    Boy, is that the truth. When I read anything the lefties put out regarding Kavanaugh. After the petulant democrats on the judiciary committee got through making complete asses of themselves, I would think any on the left would stay as far away from this topic as possible. But...... some are not as bright as others.
     
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    TDS... not every thread is about Trump.

    Collins vote on Kavanaugh was well thought.
     
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    Let’s see if she can be defeated. With all of the victories for the Democratic Party in the HoR in 2018, it seemed antithetical that the GOP actually gained seats in the Senate.
     
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    We have somebody the best law enforcement and legal systems in the world. We catch LOTS of our criminals and justice is served. Why would you want to catch and prosecute fewer of the criminals?
     
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    I don't know why the LW thinks this issue is a clear-cut winner for Democrats. From Karyln Bowman, AEI:

    "How did Americans feel about the way Senate Republicans and Democrats handled his confirmation hearings? In a late September Quinnipiac question about the way the accusations of sexual misconduct were handled, majorities of registered voters disapproved of both Senate Republicans’ and Senate Democrats’ actions. Fifty-five percent in an October 4-7 CNN poll disapproved of the way Republicans in the US Senate handled the allegations, while 35 percent approved. The Democrats in the Senate did no better—56 percent disapproved and 36 percent approved.

    What has the fallout of the confirmation fight been? One answer comes from the 2018 elections which took place a month after the Kavanaugh vote. Voters in the 2018 network exit poll opposed his confirmation by 47 to 43 percent. But a “Kavanaugh effect” appeared to contribute to losses for several Democratic Senators who voted against him."

    The only reason the Democrats did as well as they did in the 2018 mid-terms was the cloud hanging over the GOP from the Russia Collusion hoax. Remember, all the experts say Trump would be indicted, impeached,etc? I almost was believing the lies. It was kind of a mini-post Watergate effect.
     
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    Well, if we-the-Left (in your tiny bicameral world) aren't "staying away" why not prove them otherwise? Where's your oratory defending Kav.

    Go find the women who have testified. Ask them why they wanted to lie about something that happened sooooo long ago. What's the good of "justice" regarding a matter that happened decades upon decades ago?

    For your edification: Defending Kavanaugh has become personal for conservatives, not ideological - excerpt:
    That bit in red above is just for you because you are playing the same game. The American Right-wingers cannot comprehend why they are so hated by the Left-wingers. After all they represent the richness of which America can be so proud.

    Bingo! That's the reason! The US is one of the most economically unfair countries on earth - as the economic data shows:
    [​IMG]

    And the rich who benefit most from that injustice simply cannot give a damn. Especially from 1980 onwards*.

    They think it's God's will ...

    *And who was PotUS throughout the 1980s whilst he took a hatchet to upper-income taxation? Reckless Ronnie Raygun.
     
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    And nowhere in that insane diatribe did you give one scintilla of evidence that Kavanaugh is guilty of what his has been falsely accused of. Congratulations, you have graduated from liberal logic school.
     
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    And yet still no one wants to talk about setting up a Ranked Voting system?
    No one wants to talk about replacing our dated Two-party Plurality election model?
    No one wants to talk about what we can do to ensure that moderates Et al. are actually given a fair shake?

    -Meta
     
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    Susan Collins may we be defeated next year because of her vote for Kavanaugh.
     

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