Britain, France and Germany blame Iran for attack on Saudi oil fields

A handful of unhappy girls and runaways? Is that what you are basing your opinion on?

 

NTFKNBTCH.

 

Nope. Reason.

 

Imagine that? You can post advocating for changing a child’s gender, but not for destroying a theocracy that hangs children for being raped. Makes me wonder if the monitors are rational or just neuron deficient? Or maybe they are just knee-jerking to a fool’s tears? Or maybe they are college graduates who majored in the Liberal Arts and are suffering from Post-Modernism.

 

EU weight at global politics is zero.
They have no influence, no will and no power.
All the EU is used for is to take money from them to fund this or that terrorist organization in some pretext the useful idiots who run EU will eat.

 

You can claim for yourself whatever you want, I don't see how you personally are superior in any way, and certainly not with nonsense statements like "nuke 'em."
Nobody has said that Saudi-Arabia and Iran aren't dictatorships and you're not the first to find that out, besides, you're replying to something nobody has mentioned - that never makes any sense. Despite Iran being a problem, they haven't declared war on anybody, not the UK, France, Germany, not the US, but you're demanding for others to go to war. There is zero reason in that. But if you're so eager to fight, grab your gun and go, isn't that what 'heroes' do? Nobody is bending their knees, that's nonsense. When you claim something like that, maybe you should be consistent and get rid of that hypocricy. Since the US isn't going to war with Iran, they are obviously bending their knees as well. The US has been close buddies with Saudi-Arabia, probably the most dictatorial regime in the ME, for decades, that's not moral superiority, it's pure factitiousness. Needless to say the morally rotten in Washington don't care.

 

Keepi appeasing. Let reality be the final judge, as well as those not afraid to open their eyes and use their minds.

BTW: We don’t necessarily have to nuke ‘em-/Saudi Arabia and Iran could astonish me and surrender to reason and become capitalistic states based on the principle of individual rights and free elections of their political servants....but I doubt it.

 

LOLOL.. Saudi Arabia has aways ben capitalist and hated communism/

 

Hmmm. Free trade? Saudi Arabia? Ok. As in no minimum wage? As in no price controls? As in no public education. As in each is free to dress, love , and behave as they please? As in freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom to draw Mohammed?

I think perhaps you and I have different definition of capitalism.

Capitalism, free beings trading that which they have for that which they want, whether it be a pork chop, a satirical magazine with irreverence towards religion, a shot of Jack Daniels, a mini-skirt, bikini, or Valentine’s Day card.

 

Capitalist | Definition of Capitalist by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalist

capitalist
[ˈkapədləst]
NOUN

1. a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
   "the creation of the factory system by nineteenth-century capitalists"
   synonyms:
   financier · investor · industrialist · magnate · tycoon · mogul · nabob ·
   [more]

ADJECTIVE

1. practicing, supporting, or based on the principles of capitalism.
   "capitalist countries" ·
   [more]

 

You have misunderstood the propaganda of neo liberalism which admittedly does say it is about freedom. However freedom about what? Freedom for capitalism to work without regulation, freedom to form monopolies, freedom to take all your money out of the country you are a citizen of, freedom to harm the environment, Freedom to avoid taxes - in other words freedom from all the restrictions which were put in after WW2 to make capitalism work in harmony with democracy. In a democracy the Government must keep a hold on capitalism to make sure it does not become so strong that it inhibits democracy - that it makes the Government serve Corporate Power rather than the people. This is what has happened and what you apparently believe is freedom.

 

Who are you talking to?

 

He has invented his own definition of Capitalism.

 

This was the propaganda which was about when neo liberalism was being introduced. It appears to be something which a lot of people who themselves are finding making a living difficult believe both in the US and the UK. I don't think he is alone in this.

 

He also claims Saudi Arabia has no public education.

Education in Saudi Arabia

When Saudi Arabia formally became a nation in 1932, education was largely limited to instruction for a select few in Islamic schools. Today, public education—from primary education through college—is open to every Saudi citizen. The second largest governmental spending in Saudi Arabia goes for education.

Saudi Arabia spends 8.8 % of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the global average of 4.6%, which is nearly double the global average on education.

 

Oh I am not denying he was wrong on a lot of other things he said as well but the misconception that our current capitalism, neo liberalism is about Freedom, is very widespread among people who it is not helping and hence should be against it. In reality it is increasing inequality massively and on an ongoing level threatening the middle class now and so is against freedom for most people.

It is fascinating that with him this results in him believing that if a country does not have rights which the US does then it must not be capitalist and in that he probably is more unusual though at the same time it does have logic given they are taught Capitalism is Freedom.

 

Arabs have a long, long history as merchant traders which makes them capitalists. Lots of people on the board don't know the meaning of words like Communism, Socialism, Capitalism.. so it really boils down to lack of education … or willingness to consult a dictionary.

 

Well not everyone has Higher Education or will have studied that area and 'popular' education is that Capitalism is Freedom. Hence common sense would be that where you do not have freedom as you understand it, you do not have capitalism. I think it is a very important thing to look at. I see people all the time on this forum claiming capitalism is freedom when neo liberal Capitalism is far from it.

 

A person doesn't have to have a college degree to use a dictionary...

 

Major propaganda in the United States is that Capitalism is Freedom. Why would someone feel the need to look up their dictionary when they are told from the moment they are born that Capitalism is Freedom. I think by showing the natural progression that comes from this indoctrination - that where there is not freedom there is not Capitalism, Starjet has brought to the fore a common misunderstanding. Other people may not make the conclusions he has made but it is perfectly rational to do so. People in the US are taught Capitalism is freedom. Where there is not Capitalism there is not freedom. From that it is rational to believe that if there is not freedom, as a person sees it, there cannot be capitalism.

 

And what are those principles of Capitalism but free trade by free beings? It certainly isn’t obtaining permission from the religious police.

I only accept this Ayn Rand’s definition as valid as it the only that conforms to reality, i.e., it conforms to genus and species (political system, individual rights).

Ayn Rand: “Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.”

I emphasize individual rights because it is fundamental to capitalism.



http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

 

LOLOL.. I should have known.. She was a flake.. a screen writer.. an "Objectivist"... and nobody takes her seriously after high school.

 

Freedom of what? To live as one chooses.

Ayn Rand:” It is the basic, metaphysical fact of man’s nature—the connection between his survival and his use of reason—that capitalism recognizes and protects.

In a capitalist society, all human relationships are voluntary. Men are free to cooperate or not, to deal with one another or not, as their own individual judgments, convictions, and interests dictate. They can deal with one another only in terms of and by means of reason, i.e., by means of discussion, persuasion, and contractual agreement, by voluntary choice to mutual benefit. The right to agree with others is not a problem in any society; it is the right to disagree that is crucial. It is the institution of private property that protects and implements the right to disagree—and thus keeps the road open to man’s most valuable attribute (valuable personally, socially, and objectively): the creative mind.”
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

Now, certainly one can not argue based on these principles that Saudi Arabia and Iran are oasis’s of freedom of thought? True?

 

Really? Nobody? Well at least I and one other does.
Though I’m sure there are more.

 

No one. Just an observation.