Will Trump be impeached or not?

In my country, hearsay is not evidence, so the whistleblower has nothing to testify about. In fact, Brennan called on more spies he planted in the CIA to use the new form to complain about more stuff they have no first hand knowledge of. Before August 2019 when the complaint was made, the form said:



In preparation for this complaint, the form was secretly changed to :



This complaint was tailor made to support the coup attempt after the Russian collusion coup attempt failed.

 

Lol, complaining about "hearsay" despite the fact that the most damning allegations have been confirmed . . . And then countering with allegations that are even flimsier than hearsay. Bravo.

 

List the damning allegations that have been confirmed.

 

The damning allegations are according to democrats is that I don't like Trump and he cost our queen the 2016 election. Those are the allegations and last I heard that isn't impeachable. Try nominating a damn acceptable candidate.

 

My complete avoidance lol I've made probably at least 15 posts on this subject

 

1. Orange man bad
2. Orange man bad
3. Orange man bad

 

I was not aware that was the case, can you please provide a link to the committee working on that? Thanks.

 

Damning: He locked down the transcripts of calls with foreign leaders ---- just as Susan Rice said was customary under previous administrations.

Damning: He didn't forward the WB Complaint to Congress --- even though the corruptocrats changed the form for the purpose of undermining a candidate for President --- the regs require that WB Complaints based on first hand knowledge be sent.

Damning: He asked Ukrainian President to dig up dirt on a candidate for President as a condition of aid --- even though he's required to investigate corruption by treaty with Ukraine --- he never conditioned the aid on anything ---- even though he didn't ask for any digging, just investigating the blackmail Biden boasted about --- even though Portman who was in charge of the aid package on the Senate side said Trump told him that he held back funds because he wanted Germany to kick in some money, but Trump released the full amount at Portman's request.

 

Thanks for confirming what most of us already knew. From now on, try to keep up.

 

We obviously don't know at this point, but it appears Trump will be impeached.

Trump told the Ukrainian president, "I would like you to find out about the other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Trump abused his official powers "to solicit interference" from Ukraine in the upcoming 2020 election, and the White House took steps to cover it up.

Several White House officials were "deeply disturbed" by Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and tried to "lock down" all records of the phone call, especially the word-for-word transcript produced by the White House.

White House lawyers directed officials to remove the transcript of the call from a computer system that stores them for Cabinet-level officials and instead put the transcript in a system for especially sensitive information.

The White House has admitted moving details of a telephone call between Donald Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart to a classified server. They claimed the
call was classified. The American people and members of Congress have been able to read the transcript of that call. Nothing was redacted. Nothing was classified.

It is interesting to note that Trump, those in the White House defending Trump, the few Republicans in Congress willing to defend Trump, and Trump supporters on this thread never go into the specifics of the call's transcript or the whistleblower's complaint. They use various vague, outdated characterizations, pretend there was no wrongdoing, and try desperately to change the subject, but they dare not venture into the substance of the alleged impeachment charges against Trump.



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

Rep. Adam Schiff totally made up my conversation with Ukraine President and read it to Congress and Millions. He must resign and be investigated. He has been doing this for two years. He is a sick man!

6:29 AM - Sep 27, 2019

 

Perhaps you'd like to provide your evidence that Biden will be the nominee.

Then you can tell us if we should ignore treaties because of the month day or year when compliance action is required. Biden broke the law and Trump simply followed the terms of a treaty that's been in place for 20 years in dealing with corruption..

Oh. And Schiff made up a conversation that never happened for national TV ,,, for no other reason than to impact the 2020 election. Provide proof that it is customary for the intel committee to hold their hearings on sensitive matters on national TV.

 

Few Republicans are defending Trump. The defense is so thin it is nearly invisible, most of it consists of mocking. Their defense goes something like this: Donald Trump never said to Zelensky, "I won't do X unless you give me Y." He never said the phrase "quid pro quo." Therefore, nothing to see here!

"Wow. Impeachment over this?," Sen. Lindsey Graham tweeted after reading the Ukraine call transcript. "What a nothing (non-quid pro quo) burger."

Asked what he would call quid pro quo, Graham said, "'Uh, hey pal, you know, you need to like, go after the Bidens or I ain't gonna give you any money,' [He'd] be really, like, thuggish about it." Graham must think Trump is really stupid.

So does Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's lawyers. "I think it's important to understand what we don't have, and what we don't have is a quid pro quo,'" said Sekulow. "In other words, 'I will do this, you do this.' That is absent." Gee, ya think. This guy is one of Trump's lawyers, and that is the best he can do?

Other questionable defensive remarks from Republicans would include it’s a “he said, she said” case (Rep. Chuck Fleischmann, Tenn.), that the whistleblower had “zero first-hand knowledge” (House Minority Whip Steve Scalise, La.) or “political bias” (Rep. Devin Nunes, Calif., and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Calif.), that “these attacks are lies” (Rep. Jeff Duncan, S.C.) or, contrary to the evidence, that the real villain is Joe Biden.

Devin Nunes, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, topped them all at Maguire's hearing. “Information warfare operation . . . Russia collusion hoax . . . hearsay . . . cabal of leakers . . . another Steele dossier . . . Russia hoax [again] . . . public spectacle . . . Fake news. . . Russia hoax [yet again] . . . Democrats doing the exact same thing . . . Joe Biden . . . Fusion GPS . . . Nude pictures of Trump . . . unhinged and dangerous . . . dishonest, grotesque . . . charade.”

The comments speak for themselves. What the White House put out this week was enough: The President broke the law when he solicited political help from Ukraine. In doing so, he put his political interests above the national interest. How can Republicans defend the indefensible?

They can't, and it shows.

 

Take the logic of Graham and Sekulow out of this context and put it in an entirely different one. If someone comes up to you on the street, points a gun at you and says, "Give me all your money!" then, under Graham's conceit, you aren't being robbed. In order for it to be an actual robbery, the man pointing the gun has to say: "Give me all your money. This is a robbery."

Makes zero sense, right? You know what's happening even if the guy doesn't declare that he is using the threat of possible violence to separate you from your money. Why? Because, well, you just know. The human brain is able to look at a series of related inputs -- gun, demand for money, agitation -- and connect the dots: I am being robbed.

 

Mocking is what is called for. The accusations are ridiculous. No crime was committed here.

I see zero statute cited only pure conjecture and you expect to not be mocked? lolz indeed!

 

They don't need an actual crime, they just need enough votes

 

Wow! Trumpets are really losing it.

How is it that a vice-president can block funds approved by Congress? A vice-president does not have that power. In fact, the vice-president has no powers at all except voting in the Senate, but only to break a tie. That's it. The vice-president is merely a placeholder in case something happens to the President.

The fact that Biden bragged about the matter is irrelevant.

The fact is, the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor was the official position of the U.S. government and the European Union. That is relevant.

Answer the questions I asked.

Or not. It doesn't matter to me. It is your credibility that's at stake.

 

How did we get around to robbery? Trump withheld some money well in advance of the phone call and told Ukraine he wasn't happy that other European countries weren't kicking in. Trump released the funds after Portman asked him to do so. Trump's MO has always been to make sure the EU pays their fair share. There are plenty of examples --- for instance, NATO, the UN. To ignore thyat fact is just partisan hate mongering.

 

It is interesting to note that Trump, those in the White House defending Trump, the few Republicans in Congress willing to defend Trump, and Trump supporters on this thread never go into the specifics of the call's transcript or the whistleblower's complaint. They use various vague, outdated characterizations, pretend there was no wrongdoing, and try desperately to change the subject, but they dare not venture into the substance of the alleged impeachment charges against Trump.

Consult post 160. Explain why those are not impeachable offenses.

Trumpets make statements with absolutely no substance. They never explain how they arrive at their conclusions.

Example: The post I quoted.

 

I believe the American people would want to see an actual crime.

 

Who died and left your partisan ass in charge? Biden committed criminal blackmail. We have a treaty with Ukraine to work together to root out corruption. Biden got the prosecutor fired because the prosecutor was on his son's heels. That was an emoluments violation on Biden's part as well as blackmail. The EU would take any position Obama told them to take since it was no skin off their noses. They had no skin in the game.

Trump did nothing wrong. We will find out that this whole thing was originated in Mullah Nadler's and Schiff's staff. Why else would a new form seemingly allowing hearsay be released just in the nick of time. They forgot to fix the regs to require hearsay to be sent to Congress. We don't expect even corrupt Democrats to know what they're doing.

 

Susan Rice claims that locking down transcripts of conversations with foreign leaders is common practice. Look it up. Even though the deep state changed the form to allow hearsay, the regs require whistling to Congress of first hand knowledge only ,,, just as the old form ,,, before Vladimir Brennan's boys changed the form. That was in August 2019, in time for the Trump complaint. This will get ugly for you guys, gals and whatevers.

G'night. I don't have time for you partisan tantrum throwers. You lost. Give it up.

 

Pure conjecture. Zero proof anything out of the ordinary occurred. Conversations between the President and foreign leaders are classified by nature. Your opinion is not proof of wrongdoing. Try again.

 

Most people see what they are told is there because most of us are not lawyers.

 

So then he's a liar?

 

These ridiculous shenanigans by democrats are wearing thin on the American people. No wonder democrats are having people "walk away" from them.