Will Trump be impeached or not?

You do not have to be a lawyer to understand what a crime is. What statute has been violated?

 

Business Insider reports, "Notes from a phone call that President Donald Trump had with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25 confirm reports that Trump repeatedly pressed Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden after discussing military aid to Ukraine."

Trump had ordered the US to withhold a nearly $400 million military-aid package to Ukraine days before the phone call.

Business Insider continued, "Early in the July 25 call, Trump reminded Zelensky that "we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing."

"Zelensky agreed, telling Trump he was "absolutely right." Zelensky went on to thank Trump for "your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. Specifically, we're almost ready to buy more javelins from the United States for defense purposes."

"Trump then responded, "I would like you to do us a favor though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people ... The server, they say Ukraine has it."

The reference to a 2016 election conspiracy was a diversion. It is pure Trumpian. He is never direct. He expects people to understand what he really wants.

Then Trump finally got to the point.

"I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it," Trump said, according to the notes. "Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible."

"There's a lot of talk about [former vice president Joe Biden's] son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

"A lot of people" is always a reference to himself. In this case, more misdirection. Pure Trumpian.

It doesn't take genius to figure out that A) Trump was asking a foreign power to intervene in our Presidential election on his behalf. B) Trump was bribing the foreign power. C) By mentioning the Attorney General, Trump intends to use the Department of Justice for his political benefit.

By the way, those all fit the definition of " Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

This source provided info for this report. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zelensky-ukraine-call-transcript-quid-pro-quo-biden-2019-9

 

Yes we do , but I think I missed your point Ardy. I don't think Napolitano follows the law. Did you know that Bill Clinton signed a treaty with the Ukraine that we would keep each other informed against any corruption taking place? Do you think Hunter Biden making $50,000/ mo. doing a job for which he has absolutely no expertise might be a sign of political favors and corruption? Do you think Quo Pro Joe might have been guilty of doing exactly what he accuses President Trump of doing? Napolitano, I think, let's his emotions get in the way.

 

Another uphill battle for you Sandy. How many you going to lose before you throw in the towel?
You once said you lean right. How does that sit with the likes of the "Squad" that controls the opposition?

 

Glad to see you don't deny that Joe Biden did shake down the Ukrainians. You're just asking if he should pay a penalty.

At the very least it will be the nomination a lot of democrats who try to impeach Trump.

 

Of course the obese republican criminal will be impeached...

 

People have thrown the claim of "treason" around without providing any evidence of it whatsoever. For something to be "treason" it has to involve an "enemy" of the U.S. Ukraine is certainly not an enemy of the United States. For that matter neither is Russia.

Only two nations on Earth today fit the legal definition of an "enemy" of the United States and those are North Korea and Iran.

 

No way! It is the other way around... The United States is the enemy of Iran and N. Korea!!

 

Same thing. We didn't seize the Iranian embassy in Washington D.C. and imprison the staff there. You do know that is a clear act of war.

 

I am no lawyer, but think he does
But that is a little beside the point because he is not, and could not the judge in this case. I only presented him as a conservative legal mind who has a credible opinion such that it is simply not accurate to claim there is no reasonable interpretation of the facts in which trump has done something seriously wrong, i think it is clear that many thoughtful conservatives think he has.... romney, wallace, napalitano, brooks, shep smith cone to mind

Yes, and there are procedures and processes to do that without the interventions of the president talking about aid and special favors

I think this is beside the point.... ie, maybe your wife acted a batch, but that is not an excuse to kill her

do i think that hunter biden got special favors.... clearly yes
Does this happen on a routine basis...yes
Does that excuse it....no
Otoh does it rise to a level of corruption.... not that i have seen
Would there be any reason for trump to raise this matter other than political expediency.... not that i see

Impropriety.... yes
Questionable.... yes
But i have seen nothing explicitly illegal..... if there is.... i am comfortable prosecuting the crime


Never the less, that is an independent question from trump

you are welcome to your opinion
But, he along with others are credible conservative voices that think tis is wrong.... and my effort from the start was only to demonstrate that these sorts of opinions do exist even among conservatives

 

I don't see treason here either.

I see GRAFT.

If money changed hands in Hunter's no show job, was laundered back to the US (reportedly thru Latvia and Cypress) and Joe touched it, he's in trouble. The money laundering alone is suspicious.

Trump WAS Right to ask the Ukrainian president to look at ALL OF THIS. The Ukrainian president was happy to oblige.

No quid pro quo here.

If they do find something, they can pass it on to a Senate committee, or the DOJ.

 

The Iranians have an excuse here. They say the embassy was overrun by students.

 

That doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to provide security to foreign diplomatic missions on their own territory. Besides when the U.S. embassy was seized in earlier 1979 the Iranians ordered it returned to U.S. control and it was the next day. Which clearly shows the Iranian government had full control over the situation.

 

Trump is in good shape for a man of his age. He is very sharp mentally.

My nephew is an officer. He was stationed at the White House for almost four years. He saw the Obamas and Trumps up close all the time. He said they are both nice families, so lay off the personal stuff.

I liked Biden as a person. He came to mass several Easters ago at our church. The problem is he's showing signs of doddering in his old age. He has a blank stare when he's speaking sometimes, his memory is poor and he misspeaks a lot.

He couldn't possibly serve two terms.Whoever serves as vice-president is certain to occupy the oval office.

The democrats would have the problem of selling two presidents instead of one.

 

That's how it went down with Nixon

 

Except Ford did not agree to pardon Nixon prior to Nixon's resignation.

 

And you know this how?

 

It is laughable to call any of these Conservative Americans, Shep, of course is "light in the loafers", and has always hinted at his true self. The others have always showed strong ties to Washington Establishment......that is neither Conservative nor liberal. Better described as "globalist". Definitely not America first.

 

For starters he denied it. And Gerald Ford had an almost spotless reputation for honesty and decency. For another aides in the administration including General Alexander Haig denied it.

 

He will be impeached, and I give it a 50/50 shot of conviction in the Senate. Trump will threaten and blackmail every Republican he can to avoid the conviction.

 

definitely not trump first

 

You people do know that this IS NOT even an impeachment "proceeding". It is an "inquiry". An "inquiry" does not automatically lead to actual impeachment. And impeachment does not automatically lead to removal from office.

For that matter even if the house voted to impeach President Trump IIRC nothing actually says they have to pursue a trial and conviction in the Senate.

 

I agree with you that this was in effect an attack on the US. I am saying the Iranians used the students as cover to do it. It was reported that the students were later sent to the front during the Iran-Iraq War. Few of them returned.

I have to laugh when I see any "spontaneous" anti-US demonstrations on the news. During the hostage crisis, reporters noted that crowds outside the embassy just sat around, doing nothing until cameramen came around. Then they shouted and waived signes.

The minute they left, the crowds sat around again.

A lot of these demonstrations are staged--around the world. Some don't fall in line

During the cold war, A polish friend of mine got his US citizenship and went to Warsaw to visit family. He was sitting in a restaurant when local police/thugs came in and ordered everyone out to the sidewalk to cheer a parade for a Soviet cosmonaut. Everyone vacated except for him. A cop tried to push him out the door. He took out his AMERICAN PASSPORT., told him was a American now and to get lost--IN POLISH.

He loved that story.

 

There is no doubt that the House will Impeach, probably by Thanksgiving. What happens after that remains to be seen.

He IS the Swamp and people are beginning to realize that

 

Democrats in Congress would have to stand on their heads to see an impeachable offense here. They will jump ship when the Ukraine Hoax is layed before the Ameican people and their re-elections are on the line--especially when they know impeachment would fail in the Senate.

They are not as rabid Trump Haters as the OAC mob.

Are you?