Trump orders American troops to retreat

we did win and things changed after we won, maybe someday we will beat ISIS, but as they are not a country, it will most likely fade with time rather then an outright win

we have spent over 7 trillion on these wars, we should have just did a quick retaliatory strike and been done with it

 

They were a country and acted like one. That was their big attraction, the establishment of a Caliphate.

Now they are not. How is that not victory just as the North defeating the South was a victory.

 

yes, Obama and Trump weakened them, but time will tell if they strike again

I would not put up the "Mission Accomplished" sign just yet

and not supporting our Allies that helped us fight ISIS is a bad move

 

The Kurds are in no better position to resist Turkey - Training and the money given - is not going to help a group of rag tag fighters fighting with Kalashnikov's against a nation state.

One of the complaints of the Kurds is that we didn't given them sophisticated weapons - of the kind that is required to make a stand against a nation state. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...eaponry-and-the-pentagon-denies-supplying-it/

Here is some of the gear they did get - although the Pentagon denies supplying this.

To fight a nation state you need tanks, rockets, TOW's, Self propelled artillery, RPG's, Howitzers, Surface to air missiles .. and so on.

Like the stuff we gave to Al Qaeda/ISIS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL

 

We seem to have a problem deciding whether to kiss the Kurds or screw them. Obama did it in Iraq, now Trump is doing it in Syria. If we want to stick it to someone, I vote for Turkey. Turks are allies like Ukrainians are allies. Turkey is corrupt, violent, third world thugs living on past glories. The only reason we stick with these thugs, well two reasons now, is that they provide a convenient flight path and basing to the the Middle East and Trump has hotels there.

 

This has nothing to do with Russia collusion. But Russia DOES care about the Kurds. The Kurds were one of the leading opposers to Russian occupation of the middle east during the Cold War, and they have always opposed any Russian involvment in the middle east. Russia hates them. They always have. Turkey SHOULD leave NATO. They fail to fullfill their obligations to NATO and other members all the time,and have a long history of funding and supporting terrorism.

 

That about what it is, 50 American advisors.

50 American advisors are not holding any ground.

It's been SOP since the Vietnam War to pull American advisors out of harm's way when the **** hits the fan.

There's some truth to the saying...You want to buy a M-16 , never fired and only dropped once.

It just wasn't ARVAN in Vietnam but...
“For Sale, Iraqi Army M-16, Never Fired, Only Dropped Once.”
https://unitedcats.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/for-sale-iraqi-army-m-16-never-fired-only-dropped-once/

 

Utter BS. Under Republican there would be more and better health care and more and better treatments for disease. If we'd followed the European model we would have had thalidomide babies fewer new drugs no ct scanners no MRI machines and interminable waits for everything especially as you got older.

 

The facts are that self described communist have killed in excess of eighty million exclusive of wars.

 

This is less about Trump and more about you avoiding the real confounding issue of this subject. The same people who regard NATO as a sacred bond more binding than any marriage also want to put US troops in the line of fire of some of those same NATO allies. It would be nice if you could debate the serious issues involved other than merely an "Ack! Trump!" gasp. But, as is typical, there is very little serious policy discussions going on from the get Trump brigade, instead getting rid of Trump is uber alles.

 

I see you couldn't answer my question.

I'm running into a lot of that here lately.

 

Well if the Democratic policy is to go all out and win the war over Syria, shouldn't some of the candidates be running on that?

 

Well finally, if you are saying Turkey should leave NATO, at least you are bringing some consistency to your position.

 

I see you ignored Trump's tweets when they show what he has said and you don't like it as it is hard to defend

I'm running into a lot of that here lately.

 

not hardly, but religious wars have killed more than atheist wars, that is just a fact

 

I never said they shouldn't leave NATO, but according to you unless someone specifically calls for a country to do so they have no reason to ever critisize any country in NATO. So all NATO nations are completely free to do whatever they want.

 

When I crunched the numbers I came up with 100 million who were murdered by socialist regimes not including those killed during wars of liberation, Cold War proxy wars and civilians caught in the cross fire of socialist wars.

 

Trumps tweets don't have anything to do with what I asked, which was what agreement we brokered with the Kurds? Was there a Presidential agreement or treaty in the senate with the Kurds? In order to betray them, I assume we had an agreement with them to protect them. What was the agreement?

 

Well that's not what I said, but we shouldn't be getting into military confrontations with NATO allies. If we're at that point, why exactly are they allies? If Turkey is the enemy, as you clearly think they are, why are we in a military alliance with them?

 

You do not fight terrorists by going to war with Turkey.

 

Because a lot of US business owners, including Trump, have dealings with them. And they are enemies of Assad, who is out enemy as well.

We often make alliances with countries who are exactly good for the US in those cases. I mean, there is evidence that Saudi money was used to fund 9/11 and yet we are still allied with them.

 

Nope.. they were NOT a caliphate.. Not by any standard.. There will never be another caliphate.. not since the 1920s.. The last one was a real dud that set the Arabs BACK.

Do you even know what a caliphate is?

 

So, Democrats now think the working class is composed of "republicans who are Dems in disguise"?

And the terminally corrupt DP wonders why it is dying.

“From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here. Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever **** he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!” HUFFINGTON POST, Michael Moore, 5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win, 10/23/16.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html

 

You do not fight terrorists by going to war. Terrorism is a police problem. ISIS made a profound mistake when they tried to become a nation and simultaneously keep up a terrorist campaign. I think they may have learned their lesson and I just hope they are not about to teach it to us.

 

Rummel's numbers, 170 million murdered by their own government, are from 1900 - 1987, and they do not include the 34 million killed by warfare.