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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Just A Man, Oct 10, 2019.

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  1. markjs

    markjs Well-Known Member

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    Whether y'all like it or not, flex fuel or pure ethanol is the future of ICE cars, probably will always exist, and is largely or perfectly clean and renewable.
     
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    Great, let's make you pay for your own.

    Sort of like the Obama Health insurance mandate.

    It only costs $30,000 and that's just for starters.
     
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  3. ronv

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    I'll make the trade off with 20 years of hydrocarbon pollution.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another huge reason electric cars are stupid. They are simply over priced golf carts.
     
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    If we went nuke, we could do it without all the initial hydrocarbon pollution, and there wouldn't be any hydrocarbon pollution to trade off, just clean energy for the next 50+ years.

    Nuke plants also have a far smaller environmental footprint, and they last far longer than solar and wind hardware.

    Three Mile Island went online in 1974, and it just went offline last month.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not too reliable when they catch fire on their own and burn down your house.
     
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    Than what? At polluting the air? At creating astounding amounts of superfund type waste in their production? Yeah. That's quite the little racket they have going on...
     
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  8. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I subscribe to several auto magazines. I have yet to read a report on the range of stupid electric cars in say Montana in the winter when it is 20 below, and you have to run the heater full tilt to defrost the window, and heat the inside of the car. How about electric seat warmers too?
     
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    There is a thread here somewhere that beat that horse to death. Have a look around for it.
     
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    Being unable to understand the real impact of your moral decisions seems limiting...
     
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    That's pretty poor then.
     
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    Look for the thread.
    Has anyone died fighting over lithium?
     
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    Anything better than zero is better.
     
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    Can I personally thank you in never using any vehicle in your life and none of the earth's resources. How you are posting on a forum without a polluting phone or computer is amazing.

    If you've not done so, then start now to achieve your goal of zero. I'm sure you will lead the way.
     
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    Not lithium. But then, that isn't the only part of the supply chain. Seems you're unwilling to accept your culpability then. Not surprised.
     
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    Well it's probably covered in that old thread. If you can't be specific. I can't help you.
     
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    Where do you think gasohol comes from?
     
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    I did put in LED lights.
    What have you done?
     
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    When you include all the energy to produce ethanol including the cost to farm and harvest and the energy to distill, it takes about as much or more energy to produce than it provides. Whether it is more or less depends on who is doing the counting. However, it is not the ideal renewal energy source.
     
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    I can drive clear from SF to NYC in four days in my gas powered pickup. How long would it take in your over price electric golf cart when you have to stop and wait for it to charge up????
     
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    Debunked and dismissed.:roll:
    https://www.wired.com/2011/06/five-ethanol-myths-busted-2/
     
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    logical1, Oct 11, 2019
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    Until you refute the evidence provided, you're talking anecdotal nonsense and are thus dismissed.:roll:
     
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    If you go back and read my original post you will find out that it depends on who is doing the counting and it is marginal. You can find just about any answer you want. It is not the ultimate answer.
     
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    Let me expand on the truth posted here. The farmer has to -----------pre treat the field with fertilizer produced from petro products. He has to till the ground, plant the corn, he has to cultivate the weeds, side dress the field with more fertlizer, weed killers and pesticides. Then irrigate the corn from a well run by---------again with diesel oil or natural gas. The then pick, haul to to alcohol plant. All of the proceeding used fossil fuels. Then the corn is heated at the alcohol plant again using fossil fuels. So not only is a huge amount of fossil fuels used to get the alcohol, but the ground in poisoned with fertilizer, pesticides and herbicides that get into the ground water.

    Get the idea now????
     
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