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The US government formally recognizes them as the same terrorist organization. That’s not my opinion, the US government designated them a terrorist organization in 2004, before they were known as ISIS. The US has not made a separate designation for ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Iraq. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but again I am not speaking out of my own opinion, I am referring to them by how the US government has designated them.

 

And yet as i have shown we have made it worse.

 

Al-Qaeda in Iraq first appeared in 2004 when Abū Muṣʿab al-Zarqāwī, a Jordanian-born militant already leading insurgent attacks in Iraq, formed an alliance with al-Qaeda, pledging his group’s allegiance to Osama bin Laden in return for bin Laden’s endorsement as the leader of al-Qaeda’s franchise in Iraq.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq | militant group | Britannica.com
www.britannica.com/topic/al-Qaeda-in-Iraq

 

Damn near every politician and elected official in government. There are exceptions, but it's a very short list.

 

One day, and this day may never come, I hope to see you post something of substance and reasoned thought...

 

You've already seen it, but certain truths make you uncomfortable.

The day that will never come is the day I support the criminal actions of the government run amok in Washington DC.

 

Q) What's worse than genocide, beheadings and skinning alive?

A) Oh I know, ignorance.

 

So I was correct, your only point is Al-Qaida in Iraq is just another name for ISIS.

 

Dont chose A then..

Is Libya or Syria better off or worse of after our involvement?
Is Iran better off after we installed the Shah or worse of?
Is Afghanistan worse off after we radicalized them?

 

Well, considering that Libya, Syria and Iran were all part of the Persian Empire and that genocide, beheadings and skinning alive were common practice of the Persian Empire I would conclude that my original statement of

is still my viewpoint.

 

Sure, but I am also basing that on how the US government formally designates them. My only point here (in regards to the names) is they are not separate terrorist groups, at least not according to the US federal government

 

And yet ISIS has several affiliates that are listed separately.

Weird.

 

Sure, terrorist groups in countries like Libya have pledged allegiance to ISIS, however there is no separate designation from the US federal government for Al-Qaeda in Iraq and ISIS, the US government and its military formally recognize them as the same group. Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, and Al-Qaeda in Iraq are the same terrorist organization.

 

Leaving side the fact that you have no clue about history since other than a relatively short period of time (a couple of hundreds years) going back more than 2,000 years ago, and other than a few short years in the 7th century where Egypt was temporarily captured by the Sassanian empire, Iran's political sphere did not extend to any place in north Africa, with even Syria mostly falling outside of Iran's realm, the problem with your peculiar version of anti-Iranian ideology will encounter is that Iran is a country which has (despite all the efforts to isolate) attracted millions of visitors of all stripes and political viewpoints. Those who have actually visited Iran, and know a thing or two about the country, have also written about the country and if anyone does a simple google search they will find tens of thousands of such reports that will quickly expose you for what you are.

In the meantime, there is actual a reason why Iran is the among the most civilized and cultured countries in the world. The reason is that before the relatively recent spread of humanistic culture in the West (even then, mainly among the more educated classes), when most cultures still tried to civilize their illiterate and lower class masses by indoctrinating them in religious scripture, Persian culture spread though poetry. A vehicle that allowed the values of Persian culture to be memorized even by illiterate villagers, recited and repeated by many generations through many centuries. Before the advent of modern forms of communication, and before literacy was widespread enough for any other form of prose to make a dent in popular culture, it was poetry that served as the vehicle to teach people the values of Persian culture

Earlier, in one of your other drivels, you had said something about some ritual "1,000 years ago". One thousand years ago, Iran had already been conquered by the Arabs but it was actually a thousand years ago when a Persian poet, Ferdowsi, wrote the greatest epic in human history, the Shahnameh (Book of Kings). The Shahnameh not only did what Ferdowsi had literally promised when he said "I brought back to life the Persians with my Persian", it not only taught them what Ferdowsi had tried to teach when he had said: "If Iran ceases to be, so will I", but in over 50,000 couplets, it also gave voice to the ethical values of pre-Islamic Iran from whose myths, legends, historiography, the Shahnameh was written.

A couple of centuries after Ferdowsi, the Persian language that he had helped bring back to life, saw dozens of great poets give world literature some of its most memorable pieces of poetry. The poetry of Hafez, Rumi, and Sa'adi, among a long list of such poets, became the most widely recited (along with Ferdowsi) in the world that was most directly influenced by Persian culture in Iran and the larger Iranian cultural sphere.

The 13th century Persian poet Saa’di, whose mausoleum in Shiraz attracts millions of Iranian visitors to this day (people who also visit the tomb of an even greater Persian poet, Hafez, in the same city) – wrote these words known by heart by every school age child in Iran and recounted by memory even by illiterates in the villages of Iran through the centuries:

Human beings are like parts of a body,
created from the same essence.
When one part is hurt and in pain,
the others cannot remain in peace and be quiet.
If the misery of others leaves you indifferent
and with no feelings of sorrow,
You cannot be called a human being.

People like you, who try to teach hatred of other human beings, should indeed find Iran as the enemy. Similarly, anyone who wants to promote falsehood and lies (whether Iranian or foreigner) is also an enemy of the true ethos of Iranian culture, where from Zoroastrian times, mostly reformulated under Iranian Shia Islamic doctrine and rituals, Iranians were taught that the world is about a cosmic struggle between good and evil. A struggle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. A struggle between truth and falsehood. That struggle still goes on.

 

Pretty amazing you're speaking of Iran in the 7th century because Iran wasn't reunified as an independent state till 1501.
Iran was reunified as an independent state in 1501 by the Safavid dynasty, which set Shia Islam as the empire's official religion, marking one of the most important turning points in the history of Islam. Functioning again as a leading world power, this time amongst the neighboring Ottoman Empire, its arch-rival for centuries, Iran had been a monarchy ruled by an emperor almost without interruption from 1501 until the 1979 Iranian Revolution, when Iran officially became an Islamic republic on April 1, 1979.

Now, should we believe you just because your username is Iranian Monitor or should we believe countless history books that infatically show large portions of North Africa being part of The Persian Empire?

 

Oh yea, real civilized. The death penalty for consumption of alcohol, homosexuality, prostitution and pornography. Amnesty International completely disagrees with your "most civilized" description. I must agree with Amnesty International as public lynchings and firing squads are Iran's means of carrying out capital punishment.

Death sentences in Iran are, in theory, legal for many different crimes, such as armed robbery, treason, espionage, murder, certain military offenses, drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, sodomy, sexual misconduct, incestuous relations, fornication, homosexuality, prostitution, plotting to overthrow the Islamic regime, political dissidence, sabotage, apostasy, blasphemy, adultery, producing and publishing pornography, burglary, recidivist consumption of alcohol, recidivist theft, rebellion, some economic crimes, kidnapping, terrorism and few others.

In 2015, Amnesty International argued that executions in Iran were after sentences by courts that were almost always "completely lacking in independence and impartiality", and that "Trials in Iran are deeply flawed, detainees are often denied access to lawyers, and there are inadequate procedures for appeal, pardon, and commutation".

Got any more of "Oh how great the Middle East is" or do I have to post pictures of beheaded babies. The Middle East will always be barbaric till the end of time.

 

For once, you have said something about Iran that isn't factually false! Congratulations.

None of what you said, however, changes what I had mentioned. The Sassanian empire, whose Persian monarchs took the title Shahanshah of Iran and called their realm or Iran (or Eran-shahr) was conquered by the Arabs in the 7th century. Before that, for a few years during their reign, they had managed to wrestle much of the old Persian empire of the Achaemenid dynasty from the Byzantine empire, which included parts of north Africa (Egypt). Otherwise, the last time Iran had ruled any part of North Africa, was for a couple of hundreds years more than thousand years ago under the Achaemenid Persian empire (the Persian empire that Alexander conquered and which had fought Greece during the Greco-Persian wars). At that time, during that specific period, Iran did rule Egypt and what is now Libya.

I had already alluded to the period when in fact those portions of north Africa were ruled by the Persian empire in my original message. As I said, that was for a short period of time (roughly two hundred years) more than 2,000 years ago under the Achaemenid Persian empire. So you can believe what I said and believe in those maps as well. They are saying the same thing.

 

You can post any nonsense you wish. But if you have any particular point that you want to raise, whether about actual laws and practice regarding homosexuality, about adultery, or anything else, let me know. Pick the topic you wish and I will educate on the issue. But that education won't fit the narrative you like to present, so you may not be interested.

For now, I advice you to search for the actual truth about Iran from sources who do visit Iran. Not sources who are fed propaganda by dissident groups affiliated to movements that are seeking the violent overthrow of Iran's government.

One last word. If you really believe any of the things you are saying, and aren't just trying to direct the hatred you have for Iran to find new adherent to share that hatred with you, then I feel sorry for you. You have been badly misled. And I know there isn't anything I can do or say to change that.

 

Incidentally, this is a map of the Sassanian empire of Iran (224–651 CE). While for a very short period of time, the Sassanian empire was able to wrestle much of the old Persian empire of the Achaemenids from the Byzantine empire, extending its rule to Egypt, the typical boundary of Iran and the Roman (later Byzantine empire) was as depicted here.


For a very short period (a few years), which amounts to virtually nothing in the 800 years when Iran and Rome (and later Byzantine empires) had fought over the Middle East, the Sassanian empire was able to reconquer much of the old Persian empire of the Achaemenids (who had ruled in ancient times between 550 BC–330 BC).

At its greatest height, but only for a few years which I had already alluded to in my earlier post, the map of the Sassanian empire did include parts of North Africa.

he Sasanian Empire at its greatest extent c. 620, under Khosrow II

• Normal domains
• Greatest temporary extent during Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628

With the remergence of Iran under the Safavid empire (1501-1725), the political divide between Iran and the rulers of Anatolia (now the Ottoman empire), was largely the same as the typical boundary between Iran and the Roman (and later Byzantine) empires. Except, Iran did lose Mesopotamia (Iraq) to the Ottoman empire and while there were period when Iran did try to reestablish its rule over Baghdad and other places in Mesopotamia, even those areas had now fallen typically outside of Iran.


After the Safavids, Iran reached its greatest height politically under Nadir Shah (the Afsharid Dynasty) in the 18th century, where for short time, Iran could claim an empire depicted in the map below.

But Iran would lose a lot of its territories to the Russians in the Caucasus in the 19th century (the Russo-Persian wars of 1804-1813 and 1826-182 and by virtue of other events (e.g., the Anglo-Persian war of 1856-57, which forced Iran to recognize the independence of Afghanistan).

 

We don't have any magic fairy dust to fix Libya or Syria..

As for the Shah.. Iran was receiving 13% of their oil revenues when the Shah was in power when every other country was getting 50% of oil revenues.

The British were basically stealing the oil. The Shah was fine with that.. And, we trained the SAVAK on the Gestapo model to enforce British whims.

 

Why don't you pick ONE and we'll discuss it. Where have you spent time in the ME.. All countries are NOT the same.

 

So you agree that Al-Qaeda in Iraq is not in fact an affiliate of Al-Qaeda and is in fact ISIS?

 

They believe whatever serves them politically at the moment.

 

Well, that may be, certainly they recognize a difference between Obama and Trump:

 

Since you're entering into the middle of a conversation between myself and Iranian Monitor I will repost where this debate started. I did not specify any country. I referred to a region, a way of life and a time frame.

An ideology and/or a religion has no borders.