I truly do fear for our country, just as an American

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    What's the big deal about that? Most people don't speak in complete sentences. I know Al Gore prided himself on it and my late mother (an English teacher) openly mocked him for it.
     
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    Both Red and Blue Establishment hate the founding principles - "except ones they agree with".

    Belief in freedom/ essential liberty - is not belief in freedom - only for things one agrees with - everyone believes in that. Belief in freedom is belief in freedom for things one might personally detests.

    What did Obama do with respect to Pot - something that should have been a no brainer ? ZERO.

    Folks don't understand very well what the line is between "Legitimate and illegitimate" Gov't authority is -and what is essential liberty and what is not. This is not their fault - 12 years of school and we manage not to teach the founding principles - go figure.

    The legitimate authority of Gov't is protection from direct harm - one person on another - murder, rape, theft and so on.

    What is not the legitimate authority of Gov't is to make law based on "Harm Reduction" - "if it saves one life" aka - "Utilitarian Justification for law" - law based on "what will increase happiness for the collective".

    Utilitarianism does not consider individual liberty - thus - it allows for an end run around the safeguards put in place to protect essential liberty.

    Both Red and Blue establishment love this justification for law.

    AR-15 and the like are in a grey area. Where as Pot is not.

    In the cases such as Pot - the Gov't is supposed to default to the will of the people - as it has no legitimate authority to ban this substance "Of its own volition".

    The bar however is not 50+1 or "Simple Majority Mandate" (that some politician has a mandate based on being elected".

    The bar is "overwhelming majority" - at least 2/3rd's - in cases of a change to the constitution the bar is 75% of States.

    Both Classical Liberalism and Republicanism called 50+1/SSM - "Tyranny of the Majority". We have fallen so far down the slippery slope that we now living in "Tyranny of the Minority" .. such as in the case of Pot where 66% now agree with full legalization (the bar is only 33%)
     
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  3. Balto

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    It's not as important for the average citizen as it is for the person speaking for the country to the rest of the world.
     
  4. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    These people live in the dark when all they see is Trump's rallies, Fox News, and Twitter. These people will say Trump never obstructed justice, they will say Trump never asked Ukraine to hunt down dirt on the Biden's, at this point what really will change their minds at this point?

    I look at Virginia a lot like Pennsylvania. PA is a fairly conservative state, but has leaned more and more democratic. We had Gov Rendell for nearly a decade, and Senator Toomey for a good amount of time as well. Virginia was once quite conservative as well, but has become a reliably blue state in recent elections. I predict Pennsylvania will end up a lot like Virginia, there's conservative meat but not enough to chew on.
     
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    The only fear you leftists have is the fear of losing power. This fear is paralyzing and so the only alternative is to attempt to scare every citizen into believing Trump is a corrupt fascist lunatic who is destroying the Country. The problem is that this is a fight between facts vs fiction and you leftists are struggling to brainwash to the degree you need to. This is why the left has descended into an abyss where now they are just trying to impeach Trump for nothing, literally for sneezing without covering his mouth. The Russia Hoax was a disgrace, opposition bogus dossier obtained by Russians to spy on Trump and accuse him of bogus crimes. So democrats colluded with Russians to open up an investigation into Trump possibly colluding with Russia. You can't make this up! Now Russia is dead in the water and now it's Ukraine? a so called whistleblower, with a lawyer who has tweeted supporting a coup vs Trump, who supposedly has info about a call, a call the president has already made public. I mean, lol, i feel even ridiculous even mentioning this. Then the democrats are drafting impeachement documents in secrecy which will most likely cite obstruction of justice, something the dems have fabricated by requesting info they know Trump can claim executive privilege on.

    All for what? FEAR of losing power... losing their jobs. The democrats are willing to bring down the Country in flames to save their seats in congress and attain power.
     
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    So that's a "no, I got nothing" response

    Cant tell if you're lying or really believe these fables

    Amusing either eay
     
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    Trumpers keep making my points for me.'

    Add one more institution that is being undermined by Trump to that

    The Free Press
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why should we blindly trust these institutions? I don't trust anything that government touches, including the FBI and the President, and definitely not the other politicians. I think an occasional shake up and purging of corruption in the ranks is healthy for any government institution.
     
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    You're a prime example of what I said above.

    Republicans are being played AGAIN.

    Trump was supposed to be the answer to decades of that...and he's worse by orders of magnitude
     
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    No he isn't. Trump haters are being played. Do you really think establishment politicians are going to deliver the utopia you want so badly?
     
  11. Josh77

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    Says the ones being played by their leftist overlords. The corruption of the left knows no bounds. They continuously try to tighten their control over the people... state run health care, diminishing second amendment rights, etc etc. yet WE are the ones getting played? you guys are so dazed and confused that you are not even aware anymore how much you have been duped by the left. You willingly throw away freedom in the name of political correctness and social justice and other silly feel good causes as the politicians in Washington chuckle over how easy it was to convince you to hand them more and more power and more of your hard earned money.
     
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    The free press? You don"t know the meaning of being free. The latest example ABC, NBC etc...burying the story about Eipstein few years ago. The USA doesn"t have free press. The journalist are told what to report by their owners. Being owned is opposite of being free. Don't you understand that?
     
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    Dude...who do you think you're playing to?

    REPUBLICANS (at least Trumpers) were OPENLY saying that Trump was their response to decades of being lied to by the GOP.

    Are they denying that now? Isn't that the basis of the "deep state" nonsense?
     
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    Iran bars U.N. nuclear inspector from uranium-enrichment plant, citing positive test for explosive nitrates

    Iran has prevented a United Nations nuclear inspector from entering a uranium-enrichment facility and revoked her credentials after Iranian officials said she tested positive for explosive nitrates.

    The move drew condemnation from the United States, which called Iran’s decision to expel the inspector an “outrageous provocation.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bd6df6-0154-11ea-8501-2a7123a38c58_story.html

    Reneging on the nuclear agreement when Iran was in compliance wasn't an "outrageous provocation?"
     
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    That's because he never did. If he had, he would have been charged.
    That is because he never did. Neither the Transcript, nor anyone with firsthand information has claimed he did.
    It has a large population that commutes to DC and votes deep blue. This serves as a warning of what happens when the growth of the Federal Government is not controlled. In 10 years Virginians will be fleeing VA, much like folks flee CA, NY and New England.

    There is no reason for the Swamp to concentrate within the Beltway, other than it makes graft more convenient. It's time to spread The Swamp all over the country, reducing it to a bunch of puddles in areas in need of renewal.

    Let all this Federal Spending lift the living standards throughout this great nation, by putting in communities right next to the folks they pretend they are there to serve.

    HUD for example, could have a home office right in downtown Oakland CA.

    The FDA could have home offices in Farm Country and so forth.
     
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    And when did it go up to where it is now.

    And no, tax revenue went up after the tax cuts, because JOBS WENT UP AND CONTINUE TO BREAK RECORDS
     
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    You have nailed on the head the reason congressional Repubs still support Trump. They are willing to disgrace themselves and the oath they swore to the Constitution because they fear Trump's coattails are strong enough to keep them from being re-elected should they admit the obvious and act accordingly. Namely, Trump is, and always has been, unfit to serve as Prez.
     
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    ? I did what?
     
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    This is exactly the reason why women don’t report sexual assaults. When I was sexually assaulted I didn’t even dream of reporting it because I knew I would not be believed. That’s why sexual assaults on prosecuted because there are usually done in private without an audience. However if it were today I would report it and probably would be believed. When one in four women have been sexually assaulted there has to be some reality
     
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    Yes! And we wouldn’t be the laughing stock of the world.

    Satan? Marx? You’re one scary dude
     
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    That's a shame. But the laws the law. And you cannot and should not simply assume a person accused of a sexual assault is "guilty, just because lots of women have been assaulted in the past".

    That isn't the way the law works. Nor should it.
     
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    Unfit or not, he was elected by the proper procedures in place at that time by 63 million voters. He wasn't my first (or even top ten) choice to be president, but he still should not be removed from office based on anything he is known to have done or anything he has been accused of thus far.
     
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    I don't always agree with you but when I do agree .... I REALLY do!
     
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    Well, either your math is less than desirable or you're just like the liberal left fake news media. It hasn't even been 3 years yet.


    Your grammar needs some work, but I get the point you're trying to make. Let's see should we believe the post from someone with a username like Balto or should we believe the Jobs Report, the Stock Market, the strength of the U.S. dollar, unemployment numbers, the GDP, the ongoing making of fairness to foreign policy, the abolishment of Obama's asinine ROE's for our military etc.
     
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    Perhaps democrats should have considered all of your concerns prior to them subverting these institutions that you now sound so supportive of.
     

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