Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Despite the sniveling against it, education is good.

A breadth of knowledge provides a substantive basis for critical thinking, and the capacity for assessing empirical data and distinguishing it from, e.g., hysterical, crackpot claims of prayer rugs and duct-taped women strewn everywhere at the southern border.

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Academic achievement accrues to the benefit of each American and to America.

 

You missed a few
How about the median income if you didn’t finish high school?
Or the median income if you are illiterate
Or the median income if you don’t speak English
Surely these would be higher

 

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I have heard that it is also desirable to have participated, and to have been successful in sports. Maybe people learn valuable skills in their various life experiences.... including education also.

if I was hiring someone... I would look for life experiences beyond watching tv and hanging around bars... unless of course the job was washing dishes or digging ditches..... not that there is anything ignoble about doing those jobs... otoh I would not seek life wisdom there

 

That is a ridiculous claim. Having good tools does not make you a craftsman.... but having good tools certainly enhances the productivity of a craftsman. if you are intelligent, you want as much knowledge as possible. Because, since you are intelligent, you know how important knowledge is.. please name one respected career where knowledge is unimportant!

. People do stupid things.... even when they know it is stupid. But they are less likely to stop doing stupid things until they gain knowledge of their stupidity

 

Some falsely cast academic achievement as a metric of human worth.

It is merely a means of fulfilling one's personal potential and better contributing to one's society.

Those communities that have a higher percentage of college graduates are generally more prosperous, healthier, and safer. Extending that opportunity to others is hardly a subversive quest, though some would have it so.

 

Well, the eeeeevil imaginary "lefties" (I get a mental image of Snidely Whiplash) would be wrong.

And you're dead wrong, too. Again.

All other things being equal, an education is generally pursued by intelligent people, and an education provides perspective, context, knowledge, problem-solving skills and the ability to find information if you don't already possess it.

That's not an elitist perspective--it's reality. As Mick "Don't Make Me Testify!!!" Mulvaney said "deal with it".

 

implied in your comment is that Ron earned a good income where he lived (s). Amazingly enough, people in high cost of living locals tend to have higher incomes. I am not sure what the average income is in rural Mississippi... but I am pretty sure it is a lot less than New York City, or Chicago.

strangely, rural America suffers a shortage of doctors.. despite the lower cost of living in rural America. That makes no sense... unless doctors in urban hubs that you despise have a better standard of life than they would have living in a farming community. People live in places like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and Seattle for reasons that seem good to them.

 

Who are you talking to?

 

Wow , so for a **** load of debt principle and interest, and years of deferred earnings, you can finally make about $50k after 10 years in the work force, or less since half make less than the median, and maybe climb a little higher.

And to think, our parents did most of these jobs without college degrees, and employers had no choice but to pick from the available work pool.
Now we insist on debt and deferred earnings to make the same relative income.
Stupid.

 

But a money maker.
Smart.

 

Not you

 

Which is why the quote function is sometimes useful.

 

The world has changed. Especially since then.

BTW, your post suggests that the USA give up any edge that it has by choosing not to seek an education. That's irresponsible and remarkably naive.

 

Education is not generic.
Certain things require education beyond high school. No argument there.

A large percentage of students are getting educated just to do the same jobs their parents did straight out of high school, and they're accumulating large debts and deferring years of earnings to do it. Collectively, that is a stupid tactic. If this were not so, politicians would not be pandering to the throngs of students crying that they can't afford to pay their student loans.

The world doesn't change. We change it.

We have made a stupid decision to pursue college for no obvious reason and have baked our own cake.

 

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Our parents earned relative equivalents without it.
Not a money maker. A stupid predicament we voluntarily created to the delight of bankers and educators everywhere. And if the ROI were as good as you say, there would be no national outcry for student loan relief. If it's as good as you say, they should s-t-f-u and pay their own loans.

 

Should we stop paying for high school?

 

The topic is college

 

That's better for the mechanic too. I left the shop and work under a shade tree. I was trained as a diesel mechanic but diversified to everything.


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Yep. For each other, because we want to. Not be forced to by a third party who’s just doing so for a cut of the gross.


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Merry Christmas.

 

Interesting how some people conclude that being uneducated and living in a rural area confers some inherent noblility. FWIW, there is nothing about Donald trump that would seem to confirm that point of view. He has certainly invested his money in areas and properties that would be considered “expensive”. And his trump tower apartment had an abundance of gold plating... even in the bathroom.

 

I dont believe Bill Gates finished college. Name me all the PHDs that have more money than he does.

 

some education is good.
Much is a waste of time and money.

 

You just demonstrated the flaw in your own argument. You claim education increases our knowledge of our own limitations - well, one of our limitations is surviving smoking. It doesn't matter how aware you are of the information (smoking kills), if you can't or won't act upon it you don't have anything like the intelligence claimed.

Understanding our limitations has literally zero value if we can't or won't act upon it. It's literally like teaching a horse to count. The horse might know that pawing the ground a few times earns a carrot, but it can't do calculus.

 

What does any of that have to do with my point? We're not discussing the difference between math and English.

 

Nothing to do with the point made. You've gone off on a tangent.

And I'm in science (though I also studied a language).

 

Nope...
If you're into science, then it’s apparent everything I said is science based, you should know that. Whether you actually believe it, is up to you.