The problem of Capitalism

Discussion in 'Economics & Trade' started by stan1990, Mar 13, 2019.

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Do you agree that the main problem of Capitalism is of moral nature?

Poll closed Apr 12, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Your wit attempts don't appeal. I think its sad when a right winger has to pretend, for effect, that they are left wing. Its dreary.
     
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    Ooo, the answer that everyone can come out with. Couldn't you come out with a better excuse? But let's go with that. Do you think that right wingers support you, and left wingers do not, because right wingers are more democratic? :)
     
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    Story time: My comrades and I have talked about this (yes, there are still hardliners around .. and we actually talk). The new breed of faux Lefties who subconsciously know they're total fakes, and so are triggered by the real thing. They try every trick in the book to prop up their own position, by denouncing those who highlight their phoniness. I know people who live in actual common purse collective (look it up, since you probably don't know what that means), who are told by capitalism loving middle class poseurs that they're not commies. It's quite hilarious. Sad - in the sense that the Left has fallen so far - but good comedy nevertheless.
     
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    Story time: My comrades and I have talked about this (yes, there are still hardliners around .. and we actually talk). The new breed of faux Lefties who subconsciously know they're total fakes, and so are triggered by the real thing. They try every trick in the book to prop up their own position, by denouncing those who highlight their phoniness. I know people who live in actual common purse collective (look it up, since you probably don't know what that means), who are told by capitalism loving middle class poseurs that they're not commies. It's quite hilarious. Sad - in the sense that the Left has fallen so far - but good comedy nevertheless.
     
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    HAHAHA! I stopped here. This was the worst effort I've heard at pretending real comment. God bless you for making me laugh!
     
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    Don't forget to mention you have an auntie who fought against the fascists in Spain :) Fly the red cliche, my right wing fellow!
     
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    I don't give a flying **** what the politics are of those who 'support' me. I'm interested in the individual's willingness to be the solution, via voluntary collectivism. Collectivism has nothing to do with partisan politics, as you know. There are many religious groups who practice it, and are probably conservatives. There are hippy outfits who probably either don't vote, or vote Green. Then there are economic collectivists like ourselves. None of it is about politics. That you think it is shows the limits of your understanding and experience.
     
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    I used the word for a reason, Dear. I'm genuinely surprised you didn't pick that up. Maybe you're losing your sense of humour?
     
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    I don't have one, sorry. I do have commie friends, though.

    I'm guessing you don't, hence your incredulity.
     
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    Wow. What amuses me is that you "and you comrades" decided "shame on the left wing for not seeing what the right wing graciously see". That's so cretinous, its cute. Like a kitten you can't help but laugh at when it tumbles. Perhaps you took it too far as you saw how the kitten made money on Youtube?
     
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    Of course you did :) Just to make me laugh. God bless!
     
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    Well, not laugh. More squirm around in your chair in middle class outrage :)
     
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    That sounds serious. You must be terribly important if you have 'commie friends'. What did they think when you celebrated supply-side economics? Did they use dialectical materialism and then grunt "yeah but, yeah but, you have a point"?
     
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    It's you who is obsessed with the left/right thing.

    It doesn't factor in to what I do, nor the mutually supportive relationships I have. I practice (not theorise) a certain way of living, which has literally nothing to do with politics. You need it to be about politics because all you have in your own defence is a claim to a vote. It's your only defence.
     
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    You'd have to stop typing though. To be honest, I'd like to thank you for your fantasy comments. Its very rare for right wingers to make me laugh. You did a grand job. Cheers, and I actually mean that!

    Have a jolly new year. You've earned it!
     
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    Do you think commies are important? If so, why?

    I don't mix with too many faux commies (those whose 'efforts' are limited to votes and armchair posturing), but I imagine they would indulge a satisfying righteous indignation. At least satisfying enough to release them from the burden of action for another week.
     
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    Retreating to the chair, Reivs? What about those springs?
     
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    What is the name of the worker-owned cooperative to which you belong?
     
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    That is a particularly childish effort. I'm referring to economic history. It is purely factual. It was land ownership in Britain which ensured servitude. By ignoring that reality, you're merely showing that you cannot compose a relevant counter to Georgism.

    The problem with centrists is that they aren't versed in any heterodox schools of thought. That explains, for example, why they were so easily persuaded by neoliberalism. My advice? Educate yourself!
     
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    Mine was just accurate. Your centrism has indeed let you astray.

    The result was the same. Fact.
     
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    Completely correct. Your centrist rant over Georgism is proof positive!

    The result was exactly the same. All my family married on Christmas Day. Why? It was the only day that they got off. All resources went to paying rent, tax and survival. When they couldn't pay their rent they were thrown into poorhouses. Forced labour was standard practice.

    You could actually make the case that it was worse than slavery. Slave owners would at least have some incentive to keep their slaves alive. No such compulsion existed with the British landowners. The life expectancy of a 1850 slave was 36. Life expectancy in Northern poorhouse was estimated to be 19 in 1841.
     
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    demonstrably incorrect, as I’ve pointed out.


    No it wasn’t
     
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    You do have a habit of repeating yourself and forgetting any actual argument. Centrism has been a curse. Let's not forget that it was centrism that delivered the extremism of neoliberalism, from Clinton to Blair.

    How was it different, except for the fact that slaves could expect to live longer? Give an argument! Can you, for example, counter that they worked every minute to boost the landowner's rent?
     
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    It’s reality. Not sure why you think I would say something else?


    One is land and the other is a human. The 2 are not comparable in any way.
     
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    We can agree! That you keep repeating yourself, without providing an argument, is indeed reality

    Sorry, no dice. You were asked to refer to how the results are different. How are they, except for the fact that slaves had higher life expectancy?
     

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