US Attorney Durham objects to IG findings on Russia probe origins in stunning statement

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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    So do I.
     
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    The Dems had three impeachment votes before this one.. You do know this right?
     
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    I didn't agree with everything schiff did, but Schiff was only one part of the impeachment process. Others are involved as well, & several more powerful, with more say, than Schiff. McConnell is one of them. Trump himself could be one as well.
     
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    Trump loves conflict. Perhaps you are like him.
     
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    Again. . .the House is responsible for impeachment. The Senate is responsible for deciding whether that impeachment will stand or fall. Whether you or I agree or not, the House has done an impeachment. Now it's time for the Senate to fulfill it's Constitutional role as judge & jury to determine whether that impeachment will stand or fall. But McConnell isn't following the dictates of the Constitution. McConnell has publicly announced his intention to subvert the Constitution altogether, decide the verdict on impeachment ahead of time, & work with the President & his defense team to assure impeachment fails. The Constitution requires every member of the Senate to take a special oath that they will handle impeachment as a neutral juror would in a trial. McConnell isn't doing that. As an individual, I don't care. But since McConnell is the Majority Leader of the Senate, & in charge of the impeachment trial, I have to care. I see this as another way Trump & his sycophants are dismantling the government & the Constitution--making it not work or function as it should.
     
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    LOL, Bill Clinton worked with Senate Dems during his impeachment to coordinate, you do know that, don't you?
     
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    Of course you do.

    Just as the Dem Senate did with Bill Clinton's lawyers, yawn.
     
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    Elections have consequences
     
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    That was different somehow though.
     
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    The President & his attorneys should work with the impeachment hearings & the Senate trial, but in accordance with the outline of the Constitution, & in a manner that doesn't determine the outcome beforehand. Clinton always worked within the framework of the Constitution. Trump & McConnell don't.
     
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    Agreed. But that same truth was relevant in 1999, as well. But Republicans ignored it. The real difference between 1999 & 2019, in my mind, is the fact that Clinton never endangered the U.S. or the Constitution in any way with his impeachment. Trump has done both.
     
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    No he hasn't. Amazing you can say that against a Deep State coup attempt backdrop that really did endanger the Constitution. So did Obama's using the IRS against political opponents.
     
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    The Democrat/Leftist Congress is directly assaulting the Constitution.
     
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    Hyperbole says so.
    Love that guy, Hyperbole.
     
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    Some have even openly talked about getting rid of the Electoral College (which is working exactly as it was intended to) and packing the SCOTUS.
     
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    Regardless of how you feel about Trump, how can you condone Trump's making the FBI his personal SS force? Or, undermining the entire foreign service of the U.S. along with the State Dept, by creating a shadow, secret, personal foreign relations network, outside the established Constitutional one, & answerable to Trump alone & not the Congress? Or, what about Trump's repeated public invitations to Russia, China & Ukraine to hack our democratic election administrative offices, or start criminal investigations into Trump's potential political opponents? Or, what about Trump's influence over McConnell, who is now undermining the Constitution itself in his deplorable efforts to kill the impeachment of Trump by choosing to disallow the evidence from being presented or considered prior to a verdict? And these form only the tip of the iceberg. There's much, much more.
     
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    The Democrat/Leftish Congress is working directly to "preserve, protect & defend" the Constitution against Trump & his minions, who couldn't care less for that hallowed document.
     
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    As usual you've got it exactly wrong. The FBI, far from being controlled by Trump, misused their power to try to keep Trump from being elected and to later hinder his administration with the Mueller hoax, which was probably the Plan B Insurance Policy Peter Strozek texted about. The IG Report confirmed gross FISA court abuses, much more to come from Durham.

    Trump IS the administration, not Swamp bureaucrats. They work for him and need to get with the program or leave.

    He never did that, except in a joking way. How about Hillary going to Ukraine for dirt on Trump in 2016?

    Haven't you heard, they're in the same party.

    Nonsense.

    There's that word again.

    You mean like Schiff didn't allow GOP witnesses in his kangaroo court?

    I'm sure you believe that.
     
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    Horsepucky!
     
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    If you said the exact opposite, you'd be right.

    As it stands, I can't understand why you would push these obviously false narratives.
     
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    I'm a pussycat, nothing like Trump I am. Still, vote for him again I will.
     
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    1. Whenever one man becomes the administration, we call that a dictatorship. So, is that what you're telling us?
    2. When democrats say something you disagree with, they're taken very seriously. When Republicans do that, they're just joking. How convenient.
    3. Being in the same party is fine, but having McConnell reaching a verdict BEFORE the trial, isn't.
    4. Schiff never chaired a "court". McConnell is. Schiff was in charge of an INVESTIGATION. Investigations don't require giving those being investigated opportunities to defend themselves. That happens--or is SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN--in the Senate, which is a trial. Schiff was never under any obligation to listen to or invite any defense by Trump. McConnell, according to standard law practice, is required to do so. Big difference.
     
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    Is it OK with you that Pelosi and the Democrats pledged to impeach President Trump before he was inaugurated?
     
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    Is that why Trump repeatedly invites foreign countries to interfere in our domestic elections? Is that why McConnell is ignoring his responsibility under the Constitution he swore to abide with, by publicly announcing his verdict in the upcoming impeachment trial in the Senate? Is that why McConnell is working closely with Trump's attorney's, & coordinating with them to make sure nothing gets in the way of clearing him of all charges, when the Constitution requires ALL SENATORS to act as impartial jurors--including McConnell himself? Our current lineup of elected Republicans, from Trump on down, show no respect for, or allegiance toward, the Constitution they all swore an oath to honor. Republicans used to respect & honor the Constitution. Trump's Republicans regard government--all government--as the enemy; even the government under the Constitution.
     

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