Trump says Soleimani was plotting to blow up US embassy in Baghdad

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  1. MrTLegal

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    https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...as-plotting-to-blow-up-us-embassy-in-baghdad/

    This is the first time that I have even heard reporting about a specific type of threat. So there are only two ways to interpret this bit of news, as far as I can tell.

    1) Either Trump is lying and making up **** in response to GOP criticisms about his administration being unwilling to disclose the nature of the threat even in a classified setting; or

    2) For some reason, the Trump administration (but not Trump) felt that disclosing the nature of that threat was too risky to the source and Trump is now overruling that conclusion...probably in response to GOP criticisms about his administration being unwilling to disclose the nature of the threat even in a classified setting.

    In related news, polling shows that an overwhelmingly majority of Americans consider Trump's decision reckless and has made America more dangerous.
     
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    Yay... and yet another reason is found to dump on President Trump :applause:

    And from your poll:

    (CNN)About four in 10 Americans support the US killing of Iran Gen. Qasem Soleimani, according to a new poll out from USA Today/Ipsos, but a majority of Americans also say the killing and its immediate aftermath have made the US less safe.

    iIs this overwhelming? :roflol:
     
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    If he was plotting to blow up our embassy (US territory) you don't think taking him out was justified?
     
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    The poll is likely a CNN viewer poll. Better to let them pull another Benghazi.
     
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    So a Black and White world but in this case both ways you are right and then go to an unlinked attempt at confirmation bias...
     
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    Leaving out that the Embassy attack made us less safe as well....
     
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    When you actually quote the portion that references whether the decision makes us less safe...yes.

    Almost seven in 10 (69%) say the killing of Soleimani has made it more likely that there will be future Iranian attacks in the Middle East, and a majority who see terrorist attacks on the US more likely (63%), a US and Iranian war more likely (62%) and that Iran will be more likely to develop nuclear weapons (52%). Only a quarter of Americans think the killing made the US safer, including 10% of Democrats, 14% of independents, and 47% of Republicans.
     
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    You are free to read about two sentences into the article and see that it is a USA Today/Ipsos poll.
     
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    I am fairly certain that it is difficult for both options to correct at the same time. Either he is lying or he is not lying and his administration decided that they couldn't tell Congress that bit of information in a classified setting.
     
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    If? Then yes.... Plotting, not just wishing or dreaming....

    Also, if I believed just 10% of what came out of Trump's mouth, you'd be justified in taking me out...
     
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    Best I can say is "maybe." This guy, by all accounts, was the guy who did the planning. So if taking him out was the only way to ensure that the attack would not happen, then sure. But if taking him out makes the threat more likely or there were alternative methods for stopping the attack and those methods were also less likely to result in greater short term and long term risk for American interests, then you should take that route.

    As Pete Buttigeig said, "Taking out a bad guy is only a good idea if you are capable of handling what comes next."
     
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    LMAO !!!!

    I cannot stress this enough, our goal is to confront Al Qaeda and ISIS.
     
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    Ah, but after the Trump’s bold action, we’re much safer! Scared shiitless, Iranians are blowing from the sky planes, taking off from their own airports!
     
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    ...how does Iran killing 280 airline passengers make America safer?
     
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    Pardon me for interjecting, but killing Soleimani was justified whether he was plotting to attack the embassy (again) or not. He had American blood on his hands and for that he should have been killed years ago, and if it wasn't for Tehran's asset in the White House, Barack Obama, the Israelis would have done us the favor of killing him years ago.

    Now Iran's quislings in the United States want to whine about a situation that the traitor they elected could have prevented years ago, and as if that wasn't bad enough, the sanctions relief that that traitor provided and those quislings supported helped fund the ballistic missile program that enabled Iran to lob missiles at our troops.
     
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    I wonder how many of the 600+ American families who’s love ones were killed by Soleimani supported Obama giving him Amnesty?

    I will go out on a limb & predict - NONE.
     
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    Leave it to lefties to try to turn Soleimani into some sort of hero. Sort of like putting the Boston bomber on the cover of Rolling Stone. And they wonder why roughly half of the country thought we needed to change course and MAGA.....
     
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    That's not what he said. That's not what anyone said.... ever.

    That is an example of how scared shitless the Iranians must have been to make such a huge mistake.
     
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    Democrats far left loves everyone who hates America.

    They would side with Hitler over Trump !
     
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    I'll take #1 for the win.

    Trump is full of crap. The idea that they would blow up the Iraq Embassy is ridiculous. Which one of the militias was supposedly going to carry this out?

    The administration has already been caught in lies about Soleimani that I can't really believe any of the nonsense they attribute to him.
     
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    Here is something that isn’t a lie.

    Page 86 of the Iran nuke deal Obama gave Soleimani amnesty.

    Soleimani is responsible for 600+ American deaths & Obama gave him amnesty.

    Do you support Obama giving the worlds #1 terrorist Amnesty?
     
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    How the **** does Iran killing 280 airline passengers makes life in America any different?
     
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    Iran is the only country I can think of that's ever gotten away with directly attacking us. It takes guts to launch missiles at us.
     
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    It didn't give him amnesty. It lifted sanctions against him and hundreds of other entities that were sanctioned over the nuclear program.
     

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