Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. MrTLegal

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    ...no
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Enjoy the racism then, I suppose.
     
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    The policy absolutely matters and trump's inability to explain to Congress the policy justification for delaying the aid is why he violated the law. Trump making "pressure foreign governments to interfere in US elections" the official policy of the US is why he got impeached.
     
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    Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

    ~ I am going to bet this particular "government watchdog" is incorrect .
     
  5. MrTLegal

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    Ukraine has not been sent all of the appropriated money and trump lifted the pause after he got caught.
     
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    Did trump tell you why you should make that bet?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    So such things only apply to those that you oppose. Gotcha.
     
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    I am going to bet that you are correct.
     
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    Funny... who is in a position to officially challenge the GAO in that determination??

    The perpetrators?? Hannity?? The DOJ??

    None of the above...
     
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    No, I didn’t ignore the articles. As I said, I already responded to them - see POST 511.
    Concerned about optics, not wrong doing.
    NO, not the optics of “probable” corruption - that’s pure invention.

    I totally agree that appearances count, and that Hunter Biden should have thought of this before accepting the position. BUT this is a matter of poor judgement - not probable cause for investigation. NO ONE was suggesting the possibility of actual corruption. Nor is there any reason to believe Biden Sr. was “protecting” his son. Pure speculation on your part.
    The fact that the Ukrainian Govt, the Prosecutor General and NABU (Anti-Corruption Bureau) have ALL explicitly stated that the Bidens have never been suspected of any wrong doing should make it patently clear to you that OUR government wasn’t being corrupted.

    Add to which the fact not one US investigative agency has seen any cause for investigation in all the years from 2014 to 2020.
    Again, poor optics - not probable cause for investigation. Cushy job, that’s all.
    Your entire argument is that things look a bit funny, to you personally = sufficient grounds for investigation.

    The combined investigative forces of the Ukraine and the US disagree.
     
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    No, it is a **** analogy and I didnt want to take the time and explain all the reasons why it was a **** analogy.
     
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    ~ The Senate
     
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    Money laundering is a crime and Giuliani has the records.
     
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    The GAO members are represented by a union that gave to democrats 100% in 2016. Supposedly the GAO is supposed to be unbiased.
     
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    Yes when it looks like a duck and quacks like duck. ROFL yea poor optics because it BLARINGLY looks like corruption and could trigger an investigation. Why was he hired? What did he do for the money? Go back and read the stories I posted about access to State Department officials. This the most corrupt company in a most corrupt country which was involved in a pay for play scheme. Your simple dismissals about all the "optics" do not refute the fact that even the Obama administration was worried about it and it STILL needs a full investigation.
     
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    The issue is withholding money appropriated by Congress, the Impoundment Act, and Biden threatened to do so as is Trump accused. Quote where the law says if other countries agree then the Executive Branch can withhold it.
     
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    LOL.. no they're not... The Senate will not remotely determine if the Trump administration broke the Impound Control Act...

    The GAO report should be introduced as evidence that they did, but the Senate cannot modify that determination... They can only weigh the value of that information in the overall picture of removal.
     
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    Go back and read my posts.

    I have already addressed these points AD NAUSEUM.

    Namely, concerns by Obama Admin, Kent and anyone else, were limited to POOR OPTICS, not wrong doing.

    "Access to State Dept Officials" is John Solomon making something out of nothing (innocuous emails). Absolutely no evidence of wrong doing.

    And, the fact that it all seems funny to YOU is not evidence of wrong doing either.

    Further, you FAIL to address the FACT that

    (a) The Ukrainian Govt, the Prosecutor General and NABU (Anti-Corruption Bureau) have ALL explicitly stated that the Bidens have never been suspected of any wrong doing

    AND

    (b) Not one single US investigative agency has seen any cause for investigation in all the years from 2014 to 2020.
     
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    Bonespurs should have been impeached after the Mueller Report came out.

    It's the GOP taking a dump on actions justifying impeachment, because there have been no consequences for Bonespurs' behavior.
     
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    You've been repeatedly told that the Obama Administration advised Congress about the aid being withheld, and the policy reasons for the withholding, which is what the law requires. Why do you keep chirping about something you know is perfectly legal, and in line with US foreign policy? Do you forget what you've been told so quickly, or keep ignoring cold hard facts because they don't align with your support of Bonespurs?

    Bonespurs' withholding was illegal from a number of angles. First, he didn't advise Congress of what he was doing. In fact, he tried to hide it. Second, there was no "policy reason" behind it. He was trying to obtain a personal benefit by shaking Ukraine down. Third, he likely violated campaign finance laws by trying to obtain something of value from a foreign government to use in his reelection campaign.
     
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    B-b-b-b-b-b-but Hunter Biden was paid a lot!
     
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    FFS man - is it really that difficult to comprehend why Trump is accused of violating the law here? Tell me explicitly your understanding of the GAO ruling.
     
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    The GAO is actually George Soros.
     
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    The GAO should at the very least have an appearance of impartiality.
     
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    Which is really hard to do when the GAO is actually Hillary Clinton.
     
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