WATCH LIVE | Impeachment trial of President Trump continues in Senate (Day 2)

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  1. TurnerAshby

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    So he never actually said that ONLY Ukraine meddled in the 2016?

    So how is Schiff allowed to say that in the Senate?
     
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    God this man's an idiot. Biden's "formidable" I tell you, FORMIDABLE. ROFL.
     
  3. MrTLegal

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    The FBI - and numerous other groups - reached their conclusion independent of the Crowdstrike Report. The Crowdstrike Report is NOT the only authoritative word on the subject.

    Crowdstrike is an American company based in California, not Ukraine. There is no server - indeed the email server that was hacked was Cloud based and was built around nearly a dozen servers spread across the country.

    Trump's own Intelligence Officials said that every aspect of the DNI/FBI/CIA report regarding Russian hacking is accurate.
     
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    Discussing, or monologuing? :D

    Betcha, no Senator is listening to what bug-eyed pencil-neck is reading from the paper, written by someone else!
     
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    Ooo... a name check of Cippilone in a list of people involved in the scheme... and a look to his left...
     
  6. MrTLegal

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    Schiff did not say that he was quoting Trump.

    Also, Pat Cipplone said, yesterday before the Senate, that "Schiff excluded his GOP colleagues from the SCIF room where the depositions were taken." There were ~40 Republicans who could enter the SCIF room at any time. How is that permissible?

    Cipplone also told the single biggest lie ever told before the Senate when he said, "Trump is a man of his word." How the **** is that permissible?
     
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  7. AmericanNationalist

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    Upon what logical basis? We're not told. We're just told to trust them. Do you remember Weapons of Mass Destruction? I remember, because that was literally my coming of age into politics. The Bush era into the Obama Era. Because of Weapons of Mass Destruction, their words aren't credible regardless of who appoints them.

    Proof is in the pudding. Without said proof, all they rely on is authoritative statements. And Crossfire Hurricane happened.
     
  8. MrTLegal

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    It is because we are all getting that Sweet, Sweet Air Conditioning Lobbying Money.
     
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    HE CALLED THEM FACT WITNESSES. There was only one fact witness: The man who perjured himself Sondland. Everyone else heard someone, who said something.
     
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    What sort of proof would you like to see?
     
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    This post presents an extremely limited definition of the word "fact."
     
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    LOL - Somebody actually said that? :lol:
     
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    Evidently Schiff isn't aware of the separation of powers.

    He continues to lie repeating some of the same lies.
     
  14. MrTLegal

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    Still the frontrunner and has been for nearly the entire time.

    At the same time that Trump was pressuring Ukraine into providing dirt against Biden, Trump's own internal polling showed he would lose by the biggest margin to Biden.
     
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    Read the OP, please.
     
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    The big lie that Schiff for brains says are not in dispute is that Trump pressured the President of another government for political gain. There is zero proof of that.
     
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    Yes, Donald Trump cares about senile Biden in April, when there isn't even a nominee yet. Which brought up my initial point: At the time, there were 9 democratic candidates. What was Trump going to do about the other eight? This is an imposition of motive, there is no actual proof of motive.
     
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    Remember Mueller's investigation? Remember President Trump cooperating with him, letting President's people talk to him, providing millions of documents and thus letting investigation feed on itself for many years, ultimately exonerating the President?

    NO WITNESSES, NO DOCUMENTS FOR YOU! :D
     
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    What does that even mean?
     
  20. MrTLegal

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    Handwaving away a 650 page report as "zero proof" is not going to work this time, just like it did not work the previous 1050175058675957307 times you said it.
     
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    Yes, Trump cares about Biden. You might not, but he very much did and still does. He went so far as to invite and pressure multiple foreign governments into investigating Biden specifically.
     
  22. AmericanNationalist

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    There's no proof because Zelensky said TWICE that such transgressions did not take place. I'm inclined to believe his word over Adam Schiff's.
     
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    Another lie is that people resisted legal subpoena's and that is grounds for impeachment. Nothing could be further from the truth. People ask why Congress didn't arrest those that did not comply but the answer to that is simple. Most did not receive subpoena's but request letters. The subpoena's from the Intelligence committee did not have the force of law. For them to be legal they would have had to come from the Judiciary Committee AFTER the vote for the inquiry which IMHO they decided not to do so they could put on this show in the Senate. If they had been done properly they would have had to defend their position in Court and they had no interest in doing that and why they pulled Kupperman's subpoena.
     
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    Why do you think he asked about crowdstrike?
     
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    I want these improperties of money laundering(which is what it is), investigated as well. You shouldn't earn thousands of dollars doing nothing, with no experience. That Biden happens to be running a political campaign at the moment, did not stop Crossfire Hurricane.
     

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