Justifiable Homicide and defensive use of guns.

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  1. Well Bonded

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    Key words, reasoned, thinking person.
     
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    Caught that, did ya?
     
  3. CCitizen

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    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam view all Humans as Creation of paramount value. Thus all humans must be supported.
     
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    I can not obtain or hold a job. I have moderate Depression and moderate Autism.
     
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    Then ultimately a welfare system, such as that in the nation of Scandinavia, could not legally be implemented in the united states as it would violate the separation of church and state within the first amendment of the united states constitution.
     
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  8. CCitizen

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    People should vote for candidates based on their religious beliefs.

    Judaism and Christianity and Islam have big differences. But we all agree on importance of Human Life. Many Atheists support Social Darwinism.
     
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    The united states constitution specifies a separation of church and state. Therefore religious candidates can do absolutely nothing on the matter.

    The belief that human lives hold value and importance, does not mean that society at large must provide for those in need, and support them for the duration of their natural existence.

    Has it ever occurred, on the part of yourself or others, that those seeking to end their own existence are motivated by a desire to not become a burden to society and others?
     
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    Though born in the US, I was raised in an irish part of UK Belfast immigrating here when 17; I am always amazed to find I know more about the Constitution and American history that the majority of those I meet here, and in this case, how few have bothered to read the Constitution itself. If you bothered to read the Constitution, you’d have read the thinking of it’s authors by noting Article VI, part 3 explicitly stipulates,
    What you suggest would require an Amendment; good luck with that.
    As for Judaism and Christianity and Islam having big differences; depends on your perspective and if you are a follower one of them and embrace the current indoctrination dogma as defined or interpreted by it’s leaders. But, if you are Buddhist, Hindu, or any of the thousands of other religions, do they seem to be vastly different? But, step back and you might see them as more similar than not,

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    Do the monotheist Judaism and Christianity and Islam religions believe in the same God?
    As for your statement, “Many Atheists support Social Darwinism”, some do, some don’t.
    And, as for, us all agreeing on importance of Human Life, is that a universal human ‘fact’ independent of religious belief or just one shared by Christians, Muslims and Jews?
     
  11. CCitizen

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    Judaism has extra Laws for Jews only. All Laws for non-Jews are included in Christianity and Islam. Charity is the Law in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
     
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    In my opinion, and in the opinion of 85% of Americans who are not Atheist, suicide is a great sin. It is also a great waste of possibility.
     
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    A great sin? Really? I’d venture to opine that more people than not are on the path of committing suicide; a few choose quick unambiguous means, but it can be argued far more commit suicide by slow, but, just as effective means with alcohol, drug abuse, dietary choices, lack of physical activity, willful ignorance, and other risky behavior that accelerate the inevitable... are such also sin?
    Is suicide always a sin? Are their not instances of self sacrifice for others that would be considered noble and not be considered a sin?
     
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    Then ultimately the argument being presented on the part of yourself, is that individuals are nothing more than the property of society, and have a duty to continue existing because they are owned by someone else to be exploited in whatever manner that is seen fit.
     
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    No individual created him/herself. No one is at liberty to take their own life.
     
  16. CCitizen

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    According to Judaism and Islam, suicide may be permissible if the alternative is long and severe torture.

    According to Christianity, suicide is not permissible ever.
     
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    Ultimately because society has seen fit to exercise ownership over the individual, reducing everyone to the status of slave and private property, owned by the collective to be exploited in whatever manner it sees fit. Such is hardly an existence that is worth living, when the individual holds no more value or worth than a piece of furniture.
     
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    Me and 85% of Americans believe that every Human is G-d's Creation. We, Jews, believe that G-d is Infinite and Incorporeal. Christians call G-d The Father. Muslims believe in the same G-d.

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have a lot in common.
     
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    The structure of the above response presented on the part of yourself indicates confirmation of the accusation being leveled against yourself. The belief that there is no freedom to be had, and that all private individuals amount to absolutely nothing more than slaves and private property held by the collective, to do with as it pleases.

    Such is nothing more than tyranny, demonstrated by countless dictators throughout history who murdered their own people, simply because they could and happened to feel like doing it at the time.

    Thus the exchange on the part of your can be read as confirmation of believing that tyranny is acceptable so long as it is justified on the flimsiest of pretexts. First the claim that those who use firearms for their own defense must be sacrificed in the name of attempting to protect suicidal individuals from their own destructive impulses, and now the claim that private individuals are nothing more than slaves and private property. There is simply no other way to logically read the position being presented on the part of yourself.
     
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    People are not slaves. All people have to obey Society's rules and laws. In a Democratic Society, Laws generally represent the Will of the Majority. Most people agree to obey the Law.
     
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    Then why are they not legally free to end their own existence? Why are they forced to continue existing long after they wish to end such?

    Considering the number of cities and states declaring that they are opting out of federal-level laws pertaining to immigration and illicit narcotic substances, and not being punished for such, it would suggest obeying the laws and rules of society is entirely optional, rather than mandatory.

    The united states is not a democracy, however, but a constitutional republic. Meaning the will of the majority does not get to violate the minority simply due to having greater numbers. Such is why slavery was outlawed and homosexualism was legalized, despite the will of the majority opposing such efforts for decades.
     
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    1) According to Judaism, people who commit suicide will suffer for many years. According to Islam, they will suffer many centuries. According to Christianity, the Majority Religion in USA, they will suffer eternally. Only Atheists see nothing wrong with suicide.

    2) Almost all Laws of Society are strictly enforced.

    3) The Will of Majority is The Law -- it is enforced by politicians elected by Majority.
     
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    You would think the Left would be just fine with these suicides, but for some reason they prefer population control by abortion or mass starvation. I guess a gun having the power to resist their tyranny is reason enough to oppose them.
     
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    And yet being a suicide bomber gets you 72 virgins.
     
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    So why should society feel obligated to try and prevent these individuals from experiencing the consequences of their actions?

    They are not. Enforcement is very lopsided, and in many cases they are enforced in a racist fashion, targeting the black community while ignoring the white community.

    Except for the fact that such is not the case in a constitutional republic. The will of the majority matters not if the minority is unfairly targeted and punished. Such is the law of the land in the united states. If the will of the majority were truly the law of the land, blacks would still be slaves to this very day, and homosexualism would still warrant the death penalty.
     

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