Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

Israeli Jews from Iran who risked their lives (some were killed on the way) to flee the theocratic paradise after 1979, risked their lives again to visit Iran (through Turkey) using foreign passports. Yes, we all know how amazing Iran and its people are.

But there's this:



Pictures don't tell the whole story, do they?

 

As Jews were mostly a middle to upper middle class community in Iran, with quite a few among them who were extremely rich and connected to the ancien regime, they were like hundreds of thousands of other Iranians (most of them 'Muslims') in similar shoes who left Iran and immigrated elsewhere in the wake of the Iranian revolution. Otherwise, besides the wealthy Jewish businessman Elghanian who was executed under the same pretexts as many other, non-Jewish, Iranians connected to the ancien regime, the lives of Jews in Iran weren't at risk then or now.
And Iran's remaining Jewish community has extensive contacts with Jews in Israel. The Iranian authorities even close their eyes to these Jews traveling back and forth between Iran and Israel through Turkey. Something they wouldn't do for any other Iranian from any other religious or ethnic group, since traveling to Israel ("occupied Palestine") is indeed forbidden in Iran.

Of course, pictures can not only fail to tell the 'whole story', they can even lie. The pictures I posted are from Iran's 'cultural sites'. What you have posted is some graffiti scribbled on a wall in a country where, unlike any other country on earth, there is no need for police protection and guards to surround Jewish synagogues. A country were Jews practice their religion, and openly wear their distinctive caps going to their sabbath and such, without anyone troubling them.

Now, instead of such things, post the impressions of any Jew who has visited Iran the past 10 years. Any Jews. As I have said, even those "Iranian Jews" who hate Iran are often the ones who know least about 'real Iran'. People who have not visited Iran in ages. You might still hold to the anti-Iran agendas behind the propaganda against Iran even visiting the country. But you cannot possibly tell the same propaganda after you visit Iran. You have to adjust the lies to the truth you have seen with your own eyes.

 

The extreme Christian Zionists I hear only follow Deuteronomy and Revelations (and anything else which allow Christians to be violent) Both they and the extremist religious Jews see things the same. Both more grounded Christians and Jews point out that the tale is flawed as the way the Jews got Israel was not according to Scripture. I think they have been wooed and accepted the invitation from the man with horns. No loving person (or God) would accept what they are doing.

 

Israel was doing more than provide intelligence for this. As I mentioned from the post here

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rom-the-country.566730/page-2#post-1071336271

examples in later posts.

Israel had been committing attacks on the PMF for months. The US had been warned that they could not continue doing this without a response. This almost certainly was what caused the attack in which the American Contractor was killed though how they managed to get someone who could be called an American Citizen in order to create the situation which Trump would agree to the killing of Soleimani still remains to be found. Nonetheless when Trump eventually agreed to killing him he did say 'only if he kills an American Citizen' so they provided that for him.

This video suggests this was a Pompeo set up to get Soleimani killed and war with Iran - after Trump had got rid of Bolton for his repeated attempts at same.

The attacks on the PMF killing both Iranians and Iraqi soldiers was indeed a deliberate provocation from the US and Israel.

Israel did not just provide Intelligence, they were in on the whole thing.

 

No conspiracy theory, the Arabs boycott companies that trade with Israel like car companies - but that's cool you boys need to direct your anger somewhere without exploding ppl.

Jews were already there why would anyone ask them about Jewish fate ? ofc they were asked on what country they wanted to live - reread 181 resolution.

No its Arab fairy tales, be bad and a Jew will eat you, your own source states it was just propaganda, you take pieces of facts and add ARB BS to it, fact it never happened, deal with it

 

Not months....years and you now claim that this terror group threatened little US that if mighty Israel wont stop attacking them they will attack the US, then is some way Israel managed to place an American citizen in harms way to be bombed by those terrorists so Trump would call Solimani's death....

Then you post your hate tube....
wow...
There is absolutely no way to live with this kind of hatred and judge global events with anything close to objectivity and it is for this reason I will never trust any Palestinian offer or by their side, you just burn with too much hate to discuss anything.

 

You say Israel has been attacking Iranian and Iraqi soldiers in Iraq for years. While of course you have a reputation for assassinating Iranian scientists and I am quite willing to believe you have secretly been involved in mass killing in Iraq for years, this is talking about the deliberate provocation you were doing last year.

Rather than show your lack of ability to argue ideas and need to be rude instaed I suggest you a) read the quotes associated with this and the links in the link I left above. After you have done that I suggest you watch the video I left. When you have done all that I suggest you come back and apologise for being so big headed and wrong.

that bit is not explained.

You are part of the country killing people willy nilly and yet you chose to call a hate person Aaron Matte a Jew son of Garob Matte another Jew who is strongly involved in working to heal others. These people you call hate people. Seems you only like people who kill.

 

No, they are not. Now, if you were talking about Gaza, Judea and Samaria, that be a different story. In the Gaza Strip, the Christian population has plummeted from about 3,000 a decade ago to an estimated 1,000 today. But in Israel, its a different story - According to the Central Bureau of Statistics, there are some 177,000 Christians in Israel, a growth of 1.5% from last year.

There

 

Jews still celebrate passover. That is them celebrating that their God massacred innocent babies and but not Jewish babies, them got passed over. That's the start of them to march to Canaan, and commit genocide. I am so sorry you refuse to acknowledge what Jews believe in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_villages_depopulated_during_the_Arab–Israeli_conflict

So that is hardly worth mentioning compared to all them American Jews who illegally are squatting in the WB.

Funny. I just discussed that PWM is a hate site. And you do not flee by choice when the reason is it's because you fear for your life. That is so dishonest of you to even attempt to sell me that nonsense.

Oh you sure are showing me! lol

 

You're making it all up.

The Arabs were there too. Nobody asked the Palestinian Arabs in what is now presentday Israel in what country they would be part in. Other countries simply determined that their lands should be home to millions of immigrants who than will rule over them. That's where the world trashed the right of self determination of the Arabs.

I sourced that the Jew had orders to kill all Arab males in Haifa.
I sourced that they demanded all women and children must flee.
I sourced the Jew systematically destroyed Arab civilian houses.
You're in no position to call this fairy tales.

 

Jews with dual loyalty? You don't say.

 

Not mass killings, that attack was just one of many

Ill focus on the things you say

You blamed Israel

How would you know what I like ? you are not here to discuss or argue you just want to sell.

 

Not at all, I just gave the automobile example because I remember reading somewhere we get the 2nd class Japanese cars cause the bigger ones go to Saudis etc', bigger market...

They have a right for a country and were given that at the same time Jews got, both had ppl to transfer or remain citizens of the other, Arabs thought the whole land should be part of a greater Jordan or Syria, doesn't mean that was fair.

No....you sourced that the call to kill all males was PROPAGANDA
The facts are that around the land genocide was never conducted - so they ALL broke orders ? the Arab villages that remained were against orders ?
Empty homes in many places were indeed destroyed.

 

The attack against the US consulate that saw an American citizen (of Iraqi decent, acting as a translator for the US) killed, and several US forces injured, was most probably in direct retaliation for evidence of US sponsorship of attacks against Iran's consulates in Iraq. Specifically, the Iranian consulate in Iraq had been burned to the ground by people using the 'protests' against the Iraqi government on domestic issues as a cover to turn those protests against Iran.

As for Israel, and its role in the assassination of General Soleimani, that role was basically acting as a cheerleader and sponsor for many of the folks who were advocating this course, including what are practically Israeli lobbyists acting as Republican Senators who implicitly tied "all out support" for Trump against the impeachment proceedings to Trump taking this action. Otherwise, I don't think the Israelis needed to give the US any intelligence on General Soleimani's arrival in Baghdad, which was done in coordination with the Iraqis -- the latter coordinating the issue with the Americans as this specific mission included an attempt to see what message the Iraqis had to pass to Iran from the Saudis and Americans regarding the Iran-Saudi rift. The Iraqi PM, of course, has stated that Trump personally called and discussed the issue with him and gave his blessing to Iraq acting as an intermediary on the issue, which is something Trump has never been forced to respond to himself.

One final comment: while Israel has conducted numerous air strikes in Syria, and a few in Iraq against PMF forces, the ones in Iraq have generally had close coordination with the Americans. The same way the ones in Syria are coordinated with the Russians. After all, Syrian air space is basically controlled by the Russians while Iraqi air space is basically controlled by the Americans. While I wouldn't credit the Israeli strikes with as much 'success' as they like to pretend, and the number of actual Iranian casualties from these strikes are very low despite hundreds of such strikes being carried out by the Israelis in Syria and a few in Iraq, there is no doubt that the flare up of tensions between the PMF and the US was part of a larger equation which had seen the US/Israel take actions against PMF forces in Iraq. The PMF itself has suffered rather more substantial casualties from these strikes.

 

You were the one who mentioned that you had been involved in killing in Iraq for years. I was simply talking about the attacks which were done after Pompeo managed to get Trump to agree to kill Soleimani if an American was killed.

It would be good if you did but recently I see you just been abusive and indeed the previous time I spoke to you you were3 making things up so you do not rate very highly with me as someone with integrity when discussing things.

I did not.

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You call very decent people who work for good in the world 'hate people' The only way you could do that is by projecting.

 

Indeed that was what I said. At least one US person here was justifying their attack and the killing of Soleimani because the attack on the US which killed the American civilian was simply an attack out of the blue not a response to attacks on them.

The reality is that after Trump pulled back from the attack on Iran after the drone, those around him, Pompeo etc demanded he agree to at least kill Soleimani. Trump did but said he would only do so if an American civilian were killed. Then the attacks began against PMF which was recorded and which I gave a link to links about which Iraq decided was Israeli/American and threatened reprisals. The reprisal eventually appears to have come which killed this American civilian. Maybe it was a fluke that he was so neatly there where he was wanted or maybe it was something else. Then we have the US killing Soleimani and only Israel in on it. Check out the video I left in that post.

Was Israel involved? Of course she was. Israel is the one who has been wanting war with Iran for about 20 years. Israel and the American Christian Zionists. I am more unsure the degree to which Trump wanted it. He had been pushed when he was being criticised for not attacking Iran. He gave a muted response - he would kill Soleimani but only if he was involved in the killing of an American civilian. He was given information that it was so and so had no choice. However he did not take it further when there will have been a great deal of pressure on him to do so and turned a blind eye to American injuries - which were not intended. With Trump I think it is important to remember the only time he seems to be loved by both parties in the US is when he is involved in the military acting aggressively.

 

I certainly agree with you that it wasn't 'out of the blue' and, indeed, it was retaliation for a host of things the US has been doing. Some of which you had mentioned. But I just wanted to add the part about the Iranian consulate being burned down to the equation. Basically, the US sponsored the attack on Iran's consulate and Iran returned the favor.

With slight differences in emphasis and narrative, both of us agree on these issues.

Basically, Trump may have run out of excuses for not bending to the neocon pressure when the US contractor ended up killed, but I don't think Trump really cares much for a recently naturalized US citizen of Iraqi descent getting killed in Iraq either. Certainly, not enough to risk a war with Iran because of it and I don't think that was the pivotal issue (hence, the failure to properly identify this guy for some time, as Trump's base would be equally unmoved by such a casualty). If anything, he was probably even more influenced by the casualties to US troops in the attack (some US soldiers were injured too) and, even more so, the pressure from Republican senators who demanded he take out Soleimani if he wanted their full support in the impeachment proceedings. And because Trump realizes the 'source' of all the pressure to go after Iran, namely Israel and the pro Israel lobby (both Jewish and Christian Zionists), and relies on them in more ways than one, he is of course keen to please them as much as he can. Except Trump isn't eager to start a war with Iran and that is ultimately the only thing that separates him from the Israelis, who have been clamoring to get the US to take military action against Iran for some time.

 

Right. I did not know that.

Yes, and you are right about him and impeachment particularly with Bolton wanting to talk against him. What I am wondering now is if the declaration of the Deal of the Century was his gift to them instead of an immediate war with Iran. People have been saying Trump is no longer in charge.

 

You're making it up.

That's absolutely NOT the same as specifically....ASKING Palestinians if they want to be a minority in a Jew state.

The order was real. It wasn't made up by the Arabs or something.

We all know it actually did happen in some places. People knew it. They fled. Classic way to get the land ethnically cleansed. The Jews destroyed 100's and 100's of towns and villages so Arab civilians were not able to return.

 

As allways .. the pro Islamo Arabos divert the subject of the thread to Israel VS Palestinians.
If Israel helped to kill one of the world's baddest man than Bravo .
That's all.

 

Here are some more pictures (to go along with what I had posted earlier) from Iran's "cultural sites" which Trump had famously threatened to destroy. These focus on the architecture of Irano-Islamic civilization, taken mainly from this article:
https://www.arch2o.com/beautiful-wonders-persian-architecture-5-cities-iran/
The Beautiful Wonders of Persian Architecture from 5 Cities in Iran

 

You're entitled to your own opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

May I kindly remind you your own words:

Please provide details for the alleged ongoing ethnic cleansing in the WB - names of villages, number and names of families, when and how it takes place, what happens to those ethnically cleansed, testimonies, you know, that little something called "proof".

Please quote the relevant international law.

Abbas clearly says that Arabs feared revenge for what they did to Jews. Arabs chose to massacre Jews in 1929. Choices have consequences. Arab flight was a consequence of the choice Arabs made in 1929.

Yes I am, since "lol" seems to be the only argument you could find.

 

Yes, Jews are safe as long as they keep their heads down and the regime doesn't need a Jewish scapegoat.

I was talking about Jews who risked their lives fleeing Iran.. I didn't say the regime was out to kill them.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...-solves-mystery-of-iranian-jews-disappearance

 

This is an informative video for anyone interested in learning a bit more about Iran from the time of British Colonialism to now.

At around 23mins14 he says that 'Ayatollah Khomeini' when he returned issued a Fatwa that people were to protect Jews.

 

Oh you sure are showing me. We all know that I can source what passover means.

84 families got removed outside Israel by Israel so Jews could move in.... in 1 court order.
https://imemc.org/article/israeli-c...ns-from-their-residential-building-in-silwan/

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/faq/occupation-faq-051010.htm

You mean... that's what the hate site makes of it, when they translate it. And you claiming fleeing for their lives out of free will, is just a total joke. I proved how the Jew ethnically cleansed Haifa. With orders to kill all male Arabs. To chant that all women and children must leave. By shelling the Arab civilians at a market to make sure the point of the Jew comes across that the Arab civilian must go or die.

Not seeing any sources, why you demand me to source everything.
So nope. You are showing nothing.