Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

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  1. alexa

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    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200113-israel-intelligence-helped-us-kill-soleimani/

    So it looks like this was a combined action between Israel and the US - one which the US chose not to tell any of the Western Countries they used to consider their allies. I am guessing he did not tell them because he knew they would not agree and I am also guessing that possibly Israel was hoping for a bit more. Israel has not got its war with Iran yet.


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    No, not Netanyahu? Why he loves Iran.

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    If Israel wanted war with iran they can start it any time they want .

    I doubt they want war with Iran. But both Israel and Iran want national security from one another.

    The American neocons are the ones who want regime change in Iran and that generally involves using force and war.

    Looks to me like the Saudis want to be top dog in the ME as does Iran. Throw in the animosity between sunni and shia and only a fool would get entangled with that very old animosity. I call them neocons

    I doubt Iran would be helpful in any deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Their role is in arming groups who kill Jews .
     
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    Israel is a strong ally. We share the same enemy. Regarding Iran...Europe isn't as much our ally because they want to benefit from a relationship with Iran and they really dont give a **** that Iran kills Americans.... just how the world is.
     
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    It's sad how the left thinks the US needs to ask the permission of Europe before they do anything.
     
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    Israel has wanted Iran dealt with as long as I have been following her. Her people have been made to feel they are in real danger of being nuked - Iran has also according to Israel been just about to have nukes for at least ten years. Israel have assassinated Iran's scientists. They have even spoken of nuking her...but Israel's military has not wanted to attack Iran. They do not believe they can win in a war against Iran. They want the US in to do the job for them.

    Are you aware of a separate reason apart from Israel that the neo cons want Iran done in. When the US started its war on terror - which really was a war on the states of the ME our Intelligence told them that Iraq was not a threat but Iran could be. Why did the US at that time chose to destroy Iraq not Iran? Well no doubt because this is a war the US itself is not sure it can win but another possibility would be because at the time Iran was helping the US fight the Taliban in Afghanistan. Hearing they were as far as the US was concerned an 'axes of evil' while they were giving up their lives working on the same side as the US did not go down well.

    Certainly the Saud's have been afraid since the 79 revolution when Iran became a theocratic state that they would be the people Islam would turn to not them. The fact that Iran presented itself as a Democracy was even more heresy to the Saud's as Democracy is something they will not allow as it means the end of them....but that part has only caused an alliance of Israel and SA - both of them wanting Iran's potential power destroyed. The Sunni Shia I think is more a creation of the US wars and the Wahhabi terrorist groups who hate Shia more than anyone in the world but that is not how things have been. Even after Hezbollah 'beat' Israel in the 2006 war Iran was praised and praised by the Arabs much to the Saud's concern. The business of shia and Sunni hating each other being an old on going thing appears to be more American propaganda.

    Israel did not like the JSOPC. The US Right were with Israel - I thought to support Israel. Israel has been wanting Iran put down for as long as I have been on Internet boards. Israel has been wanting the US to come in and destroy Iran because her military say she cannot do it and she believes the US can.
     
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    No sweetheart no one cares. We are more than happy to no longer need to do your dirty work. We are more than happy to not see our sons die for your Imperialism.
     
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    Interesting so do you believe it is the end of the post WW2 alliance of the US and Europe? Johnson was talking the other day of the need of the UK to consider being outside the US in future wars and then France Germany and the UK appearing to be speaking together.
     
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    You obviously do care or you wouldn't have brought it up.

    It seems to be a very big deal to you that we didn't ask permission.
     
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    Did I start a thread on it? It is something which has been spoken about, has been mentioned that all of your Western allies including Canada were not told about this. The way it was reported I would assume to tell people is the usual thing to do with allies and the US not doing so was something worth noting. Johnson said nothing for several days presumably to decide what to say and then came back and said the UK would need now to learn to fight wars apart from the US but he claimed he had no problems with you setting up a potentially explosive situation in the ME where are soldiers are and not tell us. I know the UK were concerned that you not telling us could have resulted in the death of our people and that is not how allies treat each other but possibly we are now seeing new alliances.
     
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    I think its obvious we share intelligence, I don't think Israel was part of the execution because as soon as Bibi got word of it he quickly popped in front of a camera saying how he's aware and supports Trump etc', he's a self propelling prick that likes to boast how important he is...., he did it like 12 h before the hit I think - so that's probably when he was notified.
    Anyway......I'm happy we manged to help here, the general was a severe threat to Israel and was very good at what he did, like Nassrallah in Lebanon, he was special.
     
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    Not mad.
     
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    Shared intelligence yes. If Israel was helping the US with something which was kept secret from all the countries who have sent their young to die for the US and something you are pleased with, I think we can be sure he did know. Israel having a part on killing a member of another country's General is both an International crime and opens the door for all countries doing this. Now had Israel herself down it she would not haver boasted like the US but would have done it slyly and sent flowers for the funeral - never admitting responsibility. I read someone say that last night. ;) In that Israel is more intelligent about her illegal assassinations.
     
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    It seems like they're dripping out information about how to try to drown out the questions about why.
     
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    Tell me what you think the benefit would be of informing Canada about our intentions?

    If they disagree would that prevent us?

    If they agree will that change anything?

    Are they going to offer us something that our people haven't already thought of?

    That is not what an alliance is about, an alliance means you will support your partner if they need it, after the fact, not before. Remember that America is the top of the food chain, not Canada.

    They aren't even comparable to the US. It's akin to saying that a parent should inform their kids about something before they do it.
     
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    Why oh why would Israel want Iran down ?

    Edit: I had a very nice discussion with Iranian Monitor where he suggested a few "solutions" to my existence, I felt bad because I had none to offer his.....
     
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    Come on. They see her as a threat that she rather than Israel could be the main voice of the region - Israel would always have wanted and been expected by the US to take the dominant role and the fact that Iran's opinion of Israel is not too great will not help. Israel could of course have tried compromise and got an agreement with her neighbours but that did not suite the American Christian Zionists and then of course you have Clean Break where the decision was made that Israel would no longer try and create position relations with her neighbours through talks and compromises but rather the ME would be militarily destroyed so that it had no effective opposition to her.
     
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    Yea right Alexa......It's the "voice" that concern us, not the terror.
    They want us down we want them down, childish perhaps but fair.
     
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    If you were not working to increase your land and were not treating the Palestinians inhumanely do you think you would have terror. You terrorise them. Killing at will. You suffer very little. They suffer enormously
     
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    The Issue Israel has with Iran is solely that Iran seeks to destroy her. Soleimani
    spoke of a "radioactive cloud over Tel Aviv" and the Supreme Leader spoke of
    Israel as a "one bomb country."
    And if not destroy Israel directly then to lead the Shiite world in doing the same.
    Israel doesn't want, nor could ever have by definition, leadership of the Arab
    or Muslim world.
    Israel has sought compromise with her Arab nations, ie land for peace swaps
    with Egypt, final Right of Return settlement with permanent Palestinian peace,
    Oslo accords, open borders and Negev land for Gazans etc..
    American Christian Zionists don't dictate Israel's domestic or foreign policy.
     
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    Nonsense that is just Christian Zionism wanting to destroy Iran. When Israel was believed to be going to create a two stage solution aggression towards Israel in the ME sunk. Israel could now be living as part of the ME in peace. However American Christian Zionists would not have that because their Bible says that Jews must rule all of the land which is says in their bible which includes what was to be the Palestinians state. They have been working with Netanyhu since then. That is the Christian Zionists, neo cons and Netanyhu to make sure no Palestinioan state came into being and that 'Jews' ruled all of the land it says in their bible so that Armageddon could come and most people including the vast majority of Jews would die but they would be in Rapture. Around 2000 they decided on Clean Break to destroy the ME States so that they had no power with which to confront Israel. They decided Israel would engage in no meaningful discussions and would just benefit from the demise of ME states. That is what this is all about. Fanatical religion.
     
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    This is a conspiracy style interpretation. Many Jews are quite bemused by the Christian Zionists.
    Personally I don't like the term "Zionism" - it's just people going back to where they come from.
    Even the anti-Semites want the Jews back in Israel.
    Sure, plenty of Jews would like to have all of their ancient Commonwealth back, but they are
    happy to do a deal if there's something to negotiate in good faith. Every rocket, bomb and knife
    attack leads more left wing Jews to become right wing. Hard to believe that the original home
    land was a socialist one - and supported by Uncle Joe Stalin himself.

    The idea of the Jews returning to Israel is quite biblical. Even Jesus said the Jews would lose
    their nation but return when the Gentiles are no longer Christian. Some might push this as a
    policy but it needs no pushing - it's just happening of its own accord since 1897.
     
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    I read that something like 400,000 Palestinians go to Israel each year
    either as hospital patients or as visitors. When Israel conquered the
    Jordanian West Bank in 1967 there wasn't a hospital in the whole land,
    very few sealed roads and an absolutely dearth of infrastructure. Almost
    everything in the West Bank has been built by Israel.
     
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