CBS: Guns are responsible for nearly ¾ of the killings of transgender people since 2017, data shows

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    Even those that don't want to exist?
     
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    For instance cars. Motorcycles are 29 times as dangerous as cars. Guns are even more dangerous.
     
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    Thank you very much! Some Conservatives use this phrase to distract from the effort to protect Minorities from police brutality.

    All lives matter. This should be used to emphasize the lives of those

    -- lost to guns

    -- lost to drugs due to insufficient psychological help available to people in crisis

    -- lost due to lack of insurance
     
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    Yes! No human created him/herself!
     
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    um, okay. and how does that mean that a person ought not to be able to choose to end his life?
     
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    About 85% of Americans -- Jews, Christians and Muslims agree.
     
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    To a great degree I am proud of being different.
     
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    And what is their argument that a person ought not to be able to take his life?
     
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    Atheism and Social Darwinism scare me. It is not OK to care less for the lives of those who can neither support themselves nor make good decisions due to their Disability.

    Thank G-d and my parents, I am provided for. I do work about 20-24 hours a week. Mostly household chores.

    Being my guardians my parents have prevented me from becoming a smoker and alcoholic. In 2000 I was angry at them, but now I understand that they saved my life.
     
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    The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What ultimate, meaningful difference, does such actually make?

    Many claim that all lives matter. Yet when it is pointed out that eliminating motor vehicles would serve to save tens of thousands each year, the argument automatically shifts to how society would be crippled without motor vehicles and convenient travel. Thus admitting that while all lives supposedly matter, convenience and ease are of greater value than the number of lives lost in the name of having and maintaining that convenience.

    Advocates of saving lives do not actually want to save the lives of others. They only wish to complain about aspects of society they do not care about.
     
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    Firearms are supposed to be dangerous. That is their reason for existing. Pray tell, why is that simple fact ultimately proving to be so difficult to understand?
     
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    Such does not address the question. Without resorting to religion as a justification, explain why anyone should care if any given individual determines they wish to end their own existence?
     
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    Cite the portions of their religious texts that hold society is obligated and required to prevent individuals from committing suicide.
     
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    Eliminating motor vehicles is an impossibility. Greatly reducing the number of motorcycles is a possibility. Taxing gas at very high rate, and thus making more people use public transportation is a possibility.
     
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    Without Judaism, or other Abrahamic religions, it is impossible to prove that anyone has value. Social Darwinism is an outgrowth of Atheism.
     
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    To my shame I do not have extended knowledge of Talmud. But Jews, Christians, and Muslims all value Human Life as Creation.
     
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    As is eliminating private firearms ownership, or otherwise preventing suicide.

    Meaning forcefully depriving private individuals of their legal property. Meaning confiscation, potential prison terms for those that refuse, and government-sanctioned execution for those that actively resist.

    Meaning that only the very rich would be able to afford to operate motor vehicles on a public right of way. Meaning the economically-challenged do not deserve to be able to exercise their right of travel.
     
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    Social darwinism is nothing more than recognizing the truth. Individuals do not matter to the world at large unless they can be exploited for one purpose or another. It is the concept of useful idiots. Individuals are nothing more than commodities in a world that is already unacceptably overcrowded to an unsustainable degree.
     
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    Then cite the portions of the religious texts that can be found, which hold society is obligated and required to prevent individuals from committing suicide.

    If such were truly the case the quran would not specify death as punishment for so many offenses, such as marrying outside of the faith, leaving the faith, criticizing the perceived prophets, or contain an entire section dedicated to the spoils of war. Nor would practitioners of the muslim religion be murdering homosexuals in their home countries. Nor would the quran hold that females are the property of males and must be punished because felony rape is regarded as the same thing as willful adultery.
     
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    Banning cars is possible.
    Eliminating guns is an impossibility
     
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    More Guns = Less Crime

    1. Gun bans kill.
    2. Gun free zones kill.
    3. Gun control kills.
     
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    The same people who want guns banned would never dream of giving up their cars, as they drive down the road with their eyes glued to their phones. I guess only all lives matter as long as it's conveniant.
     
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    So what is the argument for the position that a person may not take his own life?
     
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    I disagree 100%. I can not prove that Atheism is wrong, but it is.
     
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    To a great degree these are mostly Western myths about Islam. In USA, incarceration rate is much greater then in all Muslim Nations.

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam believe in innate value of every Human. Not value to Society, but self-value.
     

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