How Should We Respond to Foreign Attempts at Sowing Discord and Violence

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Attempts by Russians to sow discord and violence do not amount to much in the grand scheme of things.

    When assessing foreign influence as a whole - focusing on Russia is like focusing on a raindrop in the middle of a Hurricane.

    Our MSM and Establishment political and bureaucratic elite - are puppets of foreign influence who maintain the status quo by sowing discord.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    The thread is not limited to Russian influence.
    The thread asks what we should do/how we should respond to
    attempts to sow discord and violence from any foreign government, regardless of who it is. Any ideas?

    -Meta
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The OP tended to focus on Russia and so that was to what my response was geared.

    1) End the ability of international financiers (and national oligarchs for that matter) to buy political influence
    2) End the ability of international financiers to dictate content on the major MSM networks
    3) Reinstate the law (repealed in 2013) that barred our intelligence agencies from creating and disseminating propaganda on US citizens

    I will leave it at that for starters.
     
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    Bingo!

    If we dont want foreigners on FaceBook they dont belong here either
     
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    I think this question is akin to asking, "How do WE each lose 20 pounds in the next three months?"

    Everyone is different, and everyone is going to do things differently. Different diets per body type. Different exercise programs.

    Each of us needs to respond to foreign attempts to sow discord in our own way, and I would not be in favor of the force of government being used to make people all do the same thing, because the government is pretty stupid.
     
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    Just a question, in light of so many posts that call Dem voters 'sore losers'. Do you believe that the criticism of Trump and the demonstrations of his blatant disregard for truth and facts are driven by half the country being sore losers?
     
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    Identify the traitors who are complicit in the subversion and hang them.

    Problem solved.

    There is not ample evidence. There is just a bunch of unproven allegations swirling around in corporate media outlets who act as stenographers for government officials. The fact is, you cannot produce a shred of actual proof that the Russian government "subverted" anything with regards to the US elections. All you can do is regurgitate the allegations of proven liars and scumbags like James Clapper or John Brennan. Simply put, your thread is premised on a wild "conspiracy theory", yet it is allowed to remain in the main forum because of this forum's totally arbitrary and capricious handling of the "conspiracy theory" concept. It is completely unfair and illogical that the whole "Russian collusion" narrative is allowed to be plastered all over the main forums while subjects like the JFK or RFK assassinations are instantly censored and sent to some obscure subforum that nobody reads.
     
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    A shooting war should be avoided, be it with Russia or anyone else. If they shoot at us first,
    then that's one thing, but short of that there's no reason to escalate things to that level.
    The idea here after all is to prevent/reduce violence, not increase it or make it worse.

    So a war with Russia isn't something I want personally, and it isn't something you should want either.
    Though, I do see that you seem to imply that Russia wouldn't necessarily retaliate with more violence,
    and might instead get their instigators to back off... but that is a huge gamble isn't it? And I for one don't
    believe that such a big gamble with such disastrous consequences really makes a whole lot of sense.
    After-all, surely there must be plenty of other, much less violent, measures that can be taken without
    needing to resort to lobbing missiles into Moscow...

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Not sure how I missed these before. Thanks, I'll add them to the list.
    Though just to clarify, this is the law you reference, right?
    Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (Amendment to U.S. Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 )
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nally-have-access-american-propaganda/313305/

    -Meta
     
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    I believe that is the one :) - just remember reading about it.

    State Sponsored Propaganda is way out of hand. 130 Billion we spend on intelligence agencies/ "homeland security" (including dark project budget) - most of which goes to defense contractors. That's double the entire federal revenue of Mexico - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power - some of which goes towards shaping the narrative.

    Then you have the multi multi billion dollar private propaganda industry - rebranded as "Public Relations".

    Russiagate - Russia is a raindrop in a hurricane by comparison to other foreign influence in our electoral process.
     
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    You are blowing their role way out of proportion. Compared to what the media and partisans sow what Russia does is not even relevant.

    You want to give Russia credit where it is not warranted nor deserved.
     
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    russia wouldn't retaliate because they would lose a conventional war with America, it would take much more than a few missiles for mutually assured destruction.

    since they not responsible for sowing discord that appropriate military response is not necessary.
     
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    Show them our resiliency and intellect by not listening to their fake news and propaganda and the government should ensure transparency with it's commitment with the people to create a stronger bond. Things that will not kill you makes you stronger.
     
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    Still, generally speaking, some methods may be thought more optimal than others overall.
    Those are the ideas I want to try and figure out.

    -Meta
     
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    My intention isn't to give Russia or anyone else 'credit' for this sort of thing, but instead for us Americans (and other westerners)
    to brainstorm on ways to stop/respond to these illicit activities, regardless of what country they're coming from.
    You may view the issue as small at the moment, but build up a powder keg for long enough and it doesn't take much to then set the whole thing off.
    And even a few people dying because of this crap is a few too many. If you think internal actors have a bigger role, then you should post a suggestion or two of what we could do in this other thread:
    How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence

    I maintain on the other hand, that whatever internal issues we may have (and we do indeed have them) efforts by foreign actors such as the Russians should not simply be ignored, and again, especially not when their goal isn't simply to divide us, but to push us into actively killing each-other.

    -Meta
     
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    It depends if you want results, or if you just want to keep talking and complaining about it -- like they've talked, and complained, and wept, and moaned, and groaned about Assad for killing, gassing, and bombing women, children, and rebels for the better part of a decade now -- but nobody went over to MAKE Assad stop. None of them wanted to volunteer, to train to shoulder a weapon, to board a C-130, to get on the ground in Syria, and to actually DO something about it in firefights. It seems now that they've accepted the situation, gone quiet, and are simply going to put up with it and shut up. Assad will rule until he dies a natural death. Words did nothing at all.
     
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    double post
     
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    What should we do in your opinion if Russia or another foreign government tries to pull the same sort of thing that Russia attempted to pull in France and Montenegro? And perhaps more importantly, what kinds of preventative measures can we take in order to stop such activities from ever occurring in the first place, and if they do happen, what steps can we take to ensure that things do not then explode into larger violence as a result?

    -Meta
     
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    Hmm, that sounds promising. It would definitely seem like a good move to avoid misinformation and foreign propaganda.
    And a government committed to creating strong bonds between the citizens is certainly admirable, but can you be a bit more specific?
    How exactly should we achieve all of that? What steps in particular should we take to get there?

    -Meta
     
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    First of all we must place our allegiance to our leaders regardless of political affiliation and the leaders should also do the same towards us. We should keep politics only during election periods and should not drag it into the tenure of the elected leader and the leader should also stop politicking and just do his job as mandated. We have processes installed and are working let it work for us we should abide with it to prevent any discordance and chaos. We have the congress, the justice system, and the legislative they can run the country and us and if we do have grievances then approach them and let them decide than accosting each other what should be right or wrong.
     
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    freedom allows for the enemy to be exposed, when there is little freedom the enemy has a strategic advantage.

    russia is not responsible for 'sowing discord', it is the socialists who want to take the product of their neighbour's labour using lawful government force.

    American socialists lose politically because America has always been capitalist, do not fear everything will be okay.
     
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    There are no American socialists threatening your home town, liberalminority.
     
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    Nor do American socialists have $23Trillion missing from coffers as the Pentagon does.
     
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    most of the politically motivated violence has been by socialists, and their cousins the communists.

    these will soon be classified as acts of terror and subjected to the provisions outlined in the patriot act
     
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