Progressivism: Enemy of America. Enemy of Humanity.

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    The history of humanity is a record of man's quest for personal freedom. Leftist ideology is a step backward in that quest. More than that, it is an enemy of human freedom.

    1. Rule of law versus Imperial mandate.
    Over the millennia, the concept of Law has evolved as the preferred system of governance. Imperial decrees, while efficient & effective in accomplishing ideological goals, have been historically damaging to the overriding goal of human freedom. Law, codefied into systems of governance are a check to oppressive rule by decree. The 10 commandments, the magna carta, the American constitution, & even the 95 theses Martin Luther nailed on the door are attempts to elevate Law as the arbiter of justice, rather than the whims of a ruler. But the progressive left sees the rule of law as a hinderance to their goals. They have an agenda, & need power to be used for mandates, rather than impartially upholding the law. Law is something to manipulate, not enforce. They pick & choose what laws they will enforce, ignoring the core values of rule by law. They drag us backward in our quest for freedom, shackling us in the timeless chains of imperial rule. The constitution is ignored, trampled, & ridiculed as outdated & irrelevant, as they push for rule by decree.

    2. The basic rights of life and property.
    To the leftist, the individual is not a sovereign entity, but a statistic.. a pawn of their social engineering manipulations. Neither life nor property is safe from them, as they see the state as supreme, & the owner of everything & everyone. The concept of the right to your own property is contrary to the state centered, redistribution goals of the leftist. People are not free to work for their own advancement & prosperity, but are tools of the state in the fools errand of 'social justice', where the great fiction rules, & people attempt to live off of everyone else through govt theft. They worship the state, & see it as the savior of mankind, bringing equality & harmony among mankind. But they deliver oppression, theft, & state domination, as the simplest, most basic right to the individual is trampled in the name of economic justice: The right to property.

    3. Other rights that have evolved such as freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, the right to due process, face your accuser, presumption of innocence, etc.
    Facts & evidence have no importance to the leftist, only propaganda & manipulation. Their agenda is supreme, & everything revolves around it. They do not wait for facts or due process, but rush to judgement in the most absurd cases. Their propaganda is constantly distorting reality & the facts, just to promote some social narrative & further their agenda.

    4. The uniquely American concept of government as a protector and defender of individual rights.
    The left is anti American.. oh, they love big govt, but not the constitutional, limited govt of the American dream. They see govt as an implementer of their social justice, redistribution, & socialist goals, not as a defender of individual rights. They want a govt nanny.. a behemoth that interjects itself in every aspect of our lives, dictating what to eat, where to live, where to work, lifestyle, & economic goals. The constitution is seen as outdated & an old fashioned restriction on their dreams of social utopia. Their support of the irs to punish their ideological enemies, & intimidate those who oppose them is just one example. The DOE, EPA, FBI, & many other govt agencies are complicit in pushing a leftist agenda & state centered power, NOT securing our basic rights. They see themselves as lords of the manor, not servants of the people.

    5. Police state abuses.
    In a bizarre twist of irony, the left opposes law & order, & normal human justice, but promotes state centered power & intimidation. Police are hindered & demonized in their normal duties of law enforcement, but federal intervention in land disputes, election cycles, and agenda driven beliefs are applauded. Unconstitutional & irrational expansion of police power have been steadily growing in the leftist run, progressive based administrations, promoting the notion that the state holds the power, not the people. Fear & intimidation are used, & constant threats & limits are placed on the 2nd basic right of Americans: To keep & bear arms, which is the final deterrence to an oppressive government.

    6. The destruction of society by overload. One of the central goals of leftist ideology is the 'Cloward-Piven' strategy, where the goal is to overload our governing systems. Muddy justice, immigration, entitlements, welfare state abuses, & the ruin of the currency by deficit spending, the dilution by 'quantitative easings', & massive growth of govt. The producers in a nation cannot support this much dependency, & it will collapse the system. The left hopes to blame this collapse on the American system, when it is a conspiracy of their own making. Their propaganda demonizes the taxpayers, capitalism, or some other scapegoat to further their collectivist goals.

    7. Demonizing American values.
    The concepts of self rule, citizen representatives, limited, subservient govt, freedom & opportunity are enemies of leftist ideology. They distort these concepts into racism, greed, hate, & build evil caricatures of the American experiment. They constantly compare American freedom to fascists, nazis, racists, and any oppressive, hate centered ideology out there. But their race obsessed, govt mandated ideology is more akin to these demons than the American ideal of freedom, equality, & justice for all. Truth is not their goal, but manipulating propaganda, to build their false narrative.

    There is more. I am not trying to be conciliatory, or find common ground. I see the progressive left as enemies of human freedom, & opposing all that America stands for. Americans who see the dream, & want to keep the experiment in liberty alive should resist these villains at every opportunity. They have hijacked almost every American institution, & poisoned them with their lies & propaganda. Too many Americans are in a drugged stupor, blinded by the lies & distortions of the progressive left, & are unwitting dupes in this most basic battle for human liberty. If we do not turn from this path, we will wake up as slaves in a nation founded on liberty.
     
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    Nice rant. Mostly hyperbolic nonsense - but nice rant.
     
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    Not all that hyperbolic. As government increases in size, it grows in power. As it grows in power it replaces freedom with that power. It won't end well. The founders wanted a government to protect freedom, not replace it.
     
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    The Founders weren't all on the same page about the role of government, nor it's limits. Jefferson and Hamilton had some pretty serious disagreements over the role of government. It's not surprising that we still have differing opinions
    on issues. And remember, the government expanded under Republican rule just as quickly as under the Democrats - so pretending that it's purely a progressive thing IS hyperbolic bull crap.
     
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    Excellent and well stated. Wilson was the first main stream progressive. He heavily criticized the Constitution as out dated and out moded, and referred to individual freedom and liberty as a quaint notion. Your "the fools errand of 'social justice'" hits the nail straight on. One clarification: too many on the right like the band wagon of big spending, too.
     
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    I didn't blame government growth on progressives. I blame it on greed for power. People of both parties are people and people are corrupted by power.
     
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    So you’re defining Trump as a “Progressive”?
     
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    10/10 as far as rants go. Ignoring the fact "communists and other insert trigger words" will claim the same thing as you (what good is your 'freedom of religion' when you're too tired to participate in religion'?), you have a lot of issues with these basic assumptions. Why do you think history is a march towards "Personal freedom"? Wouldn't that imply teleology? The purpose of humans to be personally free? How can humans then be free if they can't go against
     
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    So history is hyperbolic?
     
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    Nice non response.
     
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    Let's call a spade a spade, they're COMMUNISTS. They hide behind colorful, poetic rhetoric that is all 100% bullshit. There's no plan for a worker's paradise, for a classless equitable society, the only plan is iron fisted slavery. They package it in the fairytale of socialism, no history exists of a successful socialist state ever because it's bullshit that's designed to fail and when it does they will punish us for it. It's a global scale Jonestown. They're peddling Communism plain and simple. They are evil.
     
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    Agree. PROGRESSIVES are the problem. It's not the Left, generally .. or historically.

    Progressives think like aristocrats ... they absolutely do not belong on the Left. I have no idea why they made it their home, other than perhaps that like many aristocrats, they're very taken with fashion and trends - which means they went where the hip kids are.
     
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    You have it VERY wrong. No Progressive could tolerate real communism. They're the very last people on earth who would invite that into their lives.
     
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    That is saying that no communist could tolerate communism. Progressives are wolves in sheep's clothing and not very good at hiding it.
     
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    You misunderstand me. They can SAY they're 'socialists' or 'communists', but what they aren't anything of the sort. They're the very last people who'd give up their autonomy, comforts, lifestyle, freedoms, individuality, etc etc.

    Just consider how much time they spend fighting conformity/obligations/social expectations/responsibility, etc. Collectivism (communism or socialism) is nothing but conformity/obligations/responsibility/social expectations, etc.
     
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    How right you are. I see both ideologies as threats. .
     
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    Collectivism, conformity, obligations are not for the elite Progressive, it's for those they wish to rule. Progressivism has nothing to do with creating a better society it's a dictatorship with a submissive obedient population. That is not what America is all about, we have a representational government that works for us not the other way around. Every despot the world has ever known came to power under the guise of progressive promises, total bullshit.
     
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    Sure, but Progressives exist from the working classes upwards (though admittedly, there are far more in the middle and upper classes). Those who call themselves 'socialists' think it won't alter their lifestyle. That's not just the ruling classes, that's ordinary citizens.
     
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    Only after much prodding by the agitators of the Progressive cabal. The working class has always been made the patsy of the political grifters and their agents. Angry men are easy to provoke.
     
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    I wish this was just a partisan rant, employing hyperbole to ridicule the opposition.

    But the reality is, that America has been invaded by an Enemy. She is in grave danger of destruction, from these usurpers who have wormed their way into positions of power, and are using that power to destroy the American Experiment.

    Wake up America!! Enemies have infiltrated you, and are bent on your destruction! They oppose the Constitution, due process, freedom of speech, arms, property, and every liberty recognized by the founders of this Experiment in self rule. They are obsessed with a collectivist utopia, and the fantasy of marxist values. They are ENEMIES of America, and should be opposed, exposed, and treated like the traitors they are, fomenting sedition and treason with every breath.

    Fulfill your vows, defenders of the constitution! Oppose these revolutionaries who only work for destruction of the only successful Experiment in self rule, in the history of humanity.
     
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    If I were a Putinist, this is the type of internet attack I would make. Divide and conquer is an age old tactic.
     
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    The thread of progressive ideology is easy to trace. It's roots were in marxist and Darwinist thought, revising the principles from the Enlightenment of human equality and Natural Law.

    Progressives like Wilson, Sanger, Roosevelt, Dewey, and many others proselytized for this new world religion, but the expansion was temporary suspended by their own ideologues, attempting to put into practice, the things they believe. A Great War ensued, which returned the focus of the people to the values and principles that America was founded upon.

    But by the 60s, Progressivism was in full bore advancement, in academia and most of govt. Courts, infiltrated by progressive lawyers, with decrees from the bench, usurping their role of enforcement of law. A concerted and deliberate attack was made, toward any reference to The Creator, inherent absolute morality, and the republic of America. Distorting morality as 'hate speech!', their crusade against God, and any moral absolutes found eager acceptance, among the bobbleheaded indoctrinees from progressive institutions.

    Abandoning human equality, Divine Guidance, and Natural Law, they rushed headling into the abyss of moral relativism and self gratification. Reason was lost.. no, abandoned, in favor of mandates from progressive Elites, who told them what they wanted to hear. Pretending to be wise and scientific, they became fools, and ignored wisdom and science for their irrational, anti-human beliefs.
     
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    Progressives are not exclusive to the democratic party. The ideology is the danger, not labels.

    Plenty of RINOS are happily promoting progressive ideology. Deception and infiltration is a favorite tactic of progressive ideology.
     
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    This is a warning, to wake up and see the danger. Enemies have infiltrated our nation, and are bent on its destruction.
     
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    This is a warning. Putinists have invaded the internet. Their goal is to use bombastic hyperbole to divide the nation - because they are bent on destroying this nation.
     
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