Putin Won't have it! WW2 was Wests' fault. Hitler was created and pushed to attack Russia.

I am a dreamer, a romantic, a humanitarian, and an idealist. Therefore I do not want to agree with you. But the facts are the facts so I have no choice but to agree.

 

If your example was the Greater Germany then I have answered it.
I was not aware that France invaded Germany. If it was over
reparations then I understand where they come from - even though
I wouldn't support such an invasion.

 

Dude.. wtf.
Germany wasn't always Germany as it is now. It used to be a whole bunch of German kingdoms. They combined the lot to make it the German empire. That has nothing to do with "Greater Germany". And the Allied made it so that the most dominant German kingdom was not going to be German anymore. The Germans disagreed and took it back.

It would be loosing Washington DC to Latin Americans, and than have Trump just marching through it, taking it all back. All of America would support it. That's what Hitler did. Because of the insanity of Versailles. Hence Putin blames the west for the rise of Hitler.

That and a whole lot of other things Versailles made the Germans be.. like being working slaves for eternity with a ridiculous massive debt.

 

Germany was defeated WWI. The Armistice laid down the conditions.
Germany didn't accept the conditions so the fight goes on. What is
the status of Poland today? Can Germany start WWIII to sort them
all out? Can Putin take back Poland? Can Putin take back East
Germany?

 

The conditions were totally irrational. Even the allied had to acknowledge that turning Germany in a slaver nation is not reasonable. Enter Putin blaming the west for Hitler. It's generally well accepted that the crap the Allied wrote down in the treaty of Versailles was a main reason why WWII happened.

 

We can't say it's the "main reason" only that it's "one reason"
No way to measure.
I hold that the "main reason" was the rise of the various "socialist"
parties in Europe and Russia. The "National Socialists" were called
the "Bolshevik Nationalists" before Hitler. And these were greatly
spurred on by the 1929 economic collapse.
Nazis and Fascists were everywhere - not just in Germany.

 

Re:

Many historians consider WW 1 and WW 2 to be one bigger war with a cooling off period between the two conflicts.

The punishments of Treaty of Versailles were impossible enough for Germany to fulfill and designed to destroy Germany by starving the German people to death but subsequent, post WW 1 Allied plundering and starvation blockades(1) only made Germany's position even more hopeless.

As long as the victors write the history books, Germany will be blamed for starting WW 2 by invading Poland however what is deceptive in this narrative is the fact that Germany has to invade Western Poland because the Poles were massacring German nationals by the tens of thousands(2).

Germany appealed to the League of Nations at least 20 times to stop the relentless massacres of innocent civilians in the year preceding its rescue of Poland's native German population from the bloodthirsty Poles but the League of Nations did nothing leaving Germany no choice but to rescue the German civilians suffering under the murderous Poles.

It is said that the first casualty of war is the truth and the truth about who started WW 2 is no exception.



(1) "The Starving of Germany in 1919"
https://beyondthirtynine.com/the-starving-of-germany-in-1919/

EXCERPT "The reason for the food blockade to be kept in place after the end of the hostilities was aimed at forcing Germany to sign the Versailles Treaty without any change on the strict conditions they were imposing. Today no one remembers it because it was kept secret and there were no leaks to the western press while 900,000 German men, women and children died because of the British naval blockade. Even today only a few non-Germans know the truth and American and British historians, seems to have brushed off this most appalling crime as a footnote in history."CONTINUED



(2) "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland

The 1939 Danzig Massacres

EXCERPT "In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic

Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who

were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many

apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.

An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres

carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.


Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at

least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to

the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or

the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the

German invasion of Poland.


Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally

dozens of times with no results."CONTINUED

 

The economic collapse of 1929?
You're just... lol... The German economy collapsed in 1925, because the allied made the Germans pay a debt they could never repay.

 

Can you provide a link in Internet, that you are not an elefant?

 

https://www.bookdepository.com/I-am-not-Elephant-Karl-Newson/9781529008562

 

Uh....no, it's not unreasonable, they plunged the world into a war, lost and paid for it.

West or USA is not responsible of AH rise. Putinka just playing to his local audience and shifting blame where it really isn't warranted. Typical behavior of the vatnik midget.

Yahhh, sure, US did **** all, but when **** hits the fan somewhere, we're always called upon to sort it out in the end. Were indispensible whether you like it or not.).

"Biggest effort gets most credit"?....OK, what of the big effort? SU collapsed, Warsaw Pact gone, Berlin Wall gone, and 30+ million sacrifice in question since Germany re United and firmly in NATO. Sounds like an obscure footnote in a dusty history book down the road.

 

If the Baltics, Ukies were truly "Soviet"....they wouldn't have welcomed the Krauts with open arms.

The GPW was a giant myth.

 

Sure... but after 1929 all bets were off. The whole world had collapsed.
Also there was economic mismanagement, and this was the time of
Germany's first political parties - and there were thousands of them
which made the Republic unstable. And people with guns helped to
prop up the govt.. Not good. In any case the govt was considered to
have betrayed Germany in WWI.
Hitler never had to deal with reparations.

 

Why US should enter the war when its broke out, for what reason? And why US, not Mexico, Honduras, Spain or USSR?

Looks like im talking with pataphone, who just repeats what is recorded on plate.

I may not write something with capital letter, while you just don't get what people are writing here in English.

So if US would suffer terrible defeats, like soviets in 41 and 42, lost millions of lives, this will mean, that their input in war was enough? Where exactly is the connection between lost lives and war effort?

 

Of course not, just like you cant provide sources of information of book you speak about, which means that more likely you didn't read this book.

 

Del

 

They welcomed them only in the first days of war. Later they realized what Nazis brought them. So it was not a myth. It was a reality not only for people from central part of USSR, but also from western parts of Soviet Union.

 

That means that you are an elefant.

 

Any people with the at least minimum of logic thinking can understand, that elephant cannot write anything.

As about your fantasies about Standard oils trade with Hitler in time, when US was in war, than you can't bring nothing to prove this. Or you think that your fantasies are already fact?

 

The fact that you do not know the elefants that can write does not mean that they do not exist. Apart from the book I gave you the links in the Internet. Here are more. I am not here to educate you about how Standard Oil helped Nazis. Do it yourself.

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch4.html
https://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v13/3/oil.html
https://libcom.org/library/allied-multinationals-supply-nazi-germany-world-war-2

 

Your fascination with Russia is commendable, Russia is a great country.

Have you ever been to Russia? You should visit it, and now’ a great a time as ever

 

Cui prodest WW2? US only.

 

Sure they did....lol....SSGalizien fought til end of the war....same as some Baltics that saddled up with the Krauts well after.....even the Vlasovnekeh.....and to this day Swastikas fly around places in former SU.

It was a myth the GPW.....and you know it, that's why you live in Germany?.

 

You are an ashole zoom.The fact that SS was formed from some local criminals in the west of the Ukraine does not mean that people there support Nazis. Even Bandera realized that and was imprisoned for that. You have no idea what was myth and what not in the Soviet Union and Russia. Better go to your chicken and collect eggs.