No one is going to want to be a cop soon.

How would any of that mean that no one is going to be a cop? It will keep those who are afraid of the risks, or are racists, or are unable or unwilling to handle the rhetoric. But I think that's a good thing.

 

Do they believe the cop that killed Floyd was not judged fairly?

I have not argued that for a second. What I'm asking is what of what has happened in the last few weeks has changed that? And you won't respond.

Obviously they weren't dissuaded enough.

 

Who said "no one"? It will discourage some as it has discouraged a couple of cops in my family. It will result in the better qualified ones staying away because they can get jobs in similar career fields. The ones we will be stuck with are those who have fewer options. One of my relatives went into security. He advises on how to secure facilities. The other went to a more unrelated field. Both liked what they were doing as policeman, but decided it was just not worth it.

I loved the Air Force. I loved what I was doing. But after Vietnam, the military hit a new low. We were called baby killers. It was not safe to wear our uniform in public in some locations. It is not a matter of being afraid of the risks. We already faced risks. It was demoralizing and simply not worth it.

 

That's the title of the thread!!!

Don't you even check what we're talking about before responding?

BTW, I think it was despicable how some people treated Vietnam veterans. And I say that having been in the marches to end the war. They were unknowingly following orders from incompetent politicians.

 

I did not take the title literally and I have a hard time imagining anyone who did. There will always be some who will do it. Some because they feel like they should and some because it will be all the work they can get. It will result in a degradation of the police.

As I mentioned before, the negatives are increasing and that is enough to hurt recruiting.

The war should have been ended. However, like now, they are taking it out on the wrong people.

 

All of the cops and retired cops I've spoken with agree that there is no excuse for what he did, and whatever happens to him, he deserves. On the other hand, one of the officers was on only his third shift as a police officer, and another one had been an officer for only 4 days. The fourth one was a 6-year veteran, and it was on him to say something to Chauvin, in my opinion, or stop him. The 2 others, with a combined total of 7 days on the job, are not responsible for what happened. Indicting them adds to the perception I spoke of.

What happened in Baltimore adds to that perception.

And the whole general atmosphere right now adds to that perception.

 

I’m beginning to think two rookie cops should be released and have their charges dropped.
It makes no sense to hold them responsible for being reluctant with their training officer and a superior.
I hope common sense will prevail and those two would be released. I also hope their jobs get reinstated.

 

Right. I've been a rookie officer before. I know what that's like. And on your third shift, or your fourth day, you don't tell a 19 year veteran what to do. Your job is to learn from him and trust him. Now in this case, all of that backfired. But that wasn't those rookies' faults.

 

I think what each of them said or did will be looked at in their trial. But even passers by, who have been zero days in the police force, saw that the guy was killing him.

The perception is a good thing. It tells current and future cops that they cannot act like bullies.

 

I think much of this is related to bad law/legislation - the war on Pot - being one example -

Lets take a population that has a criminal percentage of 5%. Now lets criminalize something that 12% do on a regular basis -

Congratulations - we have just increased the number of criminals by over 200%

More crime more cops more cost to the judicial and penal system. Talk about creating a bad perception.
Now add in those who have done on an occasional basis at some point in their lives -and we are talking a ridiculously high percentage of the population.

This is all over a product that is less harmful than alcohol. and frankly - a law that is currently illegitimacy of authority given 66%are now for legalization .. the bar being 33%

Civilized nations do not put people in prison for pot. and for this we militarize our police - asset forfieture conflict of interest on steroids - arbitrary search seizure, privacy and so on.

That is a whole lot of wasted money, resources, cause some dude wants to sit in his basement and smoke a joint.

 

also, only the police can protect us against bad cops... we need them to stand up and do their jobs, even if the criminals wear a badge too

the only people that could have saved Floyd that day were the 3 cops around him, that did nothing

and I wonder, had a citizen tried to save Floyd, would those cops have hopped into action to stop that?

I predict the would be hero would have been killed or going to prison for a long time - yes, we need good cops to protect us from bad cops

 

I’m sure the last time you called 9-11 , you asked dispatch to make sure they sent the good cops, and not the bad cops.

 

So you’re going to take a principled stand, and not call 9-11 next time you need law enforcement, got it.
Thanks for saving the tax payers money.

 

you know, I just assume the good cops will get rid of the bad cops, so why should I have to ask, do you ask? if only everyone knew, all we had to do was ask....

maybe we need an app for our phones to grade police... say I want a 5 star cop....

 

You don't see good reform coming soon?

 

No idea what "principle" you're talking about.

Do you even read what you respond to?

 

I've never called 911. I don't know of any good cops.

 

Recreational marijuana is legal in my state (Oregon), and the sky is not falling. Things are just like they were before it was legal. People who want to use it, use it. People who don't want to, don't. Meanwhile, the police focus on other things.

 

Do you know any cops at all?

 

Yelp for cops. I like where you’re going with this.

 

Funny how nobody learned from what a flop prohibition on booze was.

 

You realize in Baltimore the murder rate rose 85% after Freddie because the cops stopped active policing right? The cops are not going to go into dangerous situations when you tie their hands behind their backs.

To be quite honest I think all the police, every single one of them, should strike for a month.

 

Everybody is going to be their own 'cop".. it won't be pretty. I'd never qualify to be a cop, because I'd beat teh crap smooth out of people who really need it, I will never have the patience of your average cop. If there are no cops and you get froggy in my presence.. I'll just have to shoot you.. I can't put you in jail, can't turn you loose, because you'll just come back to "get even".

 

Several.

One was the best man at my wedding 30 years ago. After his training when he had been on the job a while, he became racists even to the point where it disgusted his own daughter.

The cop culture spawns narcissists and racists. Like any situation, there are exceptions to the rules but they are few and far between.

 

You think that might have something to do with the absurd amount of violent black criminals he engages with who act entitled and like THEY are victims?