Mask Denier Tx. Rep. Louie Gohmert tests positive for Covid

Good Grief which side are you on now...LOL...Next
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Analysis
Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis
BMJ 2020; 369 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m1435 (Published 09 April 2020)Cite this as: BMJ 2020;369:m1435
The authors concluded: “randomized controlled trials of [face masks] did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”10
The authors found that overall, mask wearing both in general and by infected members within households seemed to produce small but statistically non-significant reductions in infection rates. The authors concluded that “The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support the widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against covid-19”11 and recommended further high quality randomised controlled trials.

None of the studies mentioned above tested the makeshift cloth masks that CDC has recommended. To our knowledge, there are no trials of cloth masks in the general public.

 

The insanity intensifies. You are 7 times more likely to pass SARS-CoV-2 to someone you live with than to someone else. You say you wear a mask to protect others. You say you care about your family’s safety. And then you say wearing a mask at home is ridiculous.

I keep trying to take this mask thing seriously, but comments like the above in the face of research on the huge role at-home infections play in continuing this pandemic make it impossible to do so. It isn’t Trump or blind partisanship that damage the masking up narrative, it’s the complete logic fail of comments like the one I’ve quoted. No thinking person can take commentary on mask usage seriously from someone making such a statement.

 

Hmm.... So the Lancet piece actually isn't a study, it's an opinion piece. The BMJ is a compilation that from it's own summary suggests potentially only a 78% efficacy. You cited them, and yet you literally have no idea what they say.

These are not systematic studies. Show one from WuFLu perspective that shows that what you're asserting here is in fact factually based.

 

His BMJ study also said this lol...
Analysis
Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis
BMJ 2020; 369 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m1435 (Published 09 April 2020)Cite this as: BMJ 2020;369:m1435
The authors concluded: “randomized controlled trials of [face masks] did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”10
The authors found that overall, mask wearing both in general and by infected members within households seemed to produce small but statistically non-significant reductions in infection rates. The authors concluded that “The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support the widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against covid-19”11 and recommended further high quality randomised controlled trials.

None of the studies mentioned above tested the makeshift cloth masks that CDC has recommended. To our knowledge, there are no trials of cloth masks in the general public.

 

Let's say I'm inflected. If I go out without a mask the probability of me infecting others is higher than if I wore a mask. This results in increasing number of people infected.

In a household, me wearing a mask reduces the probability of infecting a household member the first time we interact. That probability of infection increases with increasing contact. Consequently a close household member will very likely catch the virus from me. Bit like tossing a coin waiting for heads to turn up. Hence it is ridiculous to wear a mask at home in order to protect close household members. If you know you are infected quarantine yourself away from household members.

 

78% is a win for mask wearers

 

Only if you think not putting people's lives at risk is a "fetish". Most people would call it "moral behavior"

Masks and Social distancing are actually the two ONLY weapons we have to fight of Covid 19 right now.

Oh! And Trump's snake-oil: HCQ, of course. According to Trump and the cysts-are-the-result-of-women-having-sex-with-daemons-in-their-dreams lady. With those two endorsements why would anybody pay care what science says, right?

 

Is it? How so? The study was about efficacy for influenza.... Not the WuFlu. It means that in only 78% of the studied, the mask wearer didn't pass the virus on. It says nothing about those infected having worn one. But details... right? Wear a mask, feelz better anyway. I suppose you always have the option just to hide and not participate at all...

 

Who's lives are you worried about here? Clearly not the lives of the folks who will still be infected even while wearing one, because their wearing one isn't protecting them. So who are you worried about here? You have yet to cite a single study that demonstrates that if infected, wearing a mask substantively reduces their risk of passing it on to others. So who do you suppose you are advocating for here?

 

I hesitate to respond to this. I'm not sure if you actually believe this, or you're a normal fellow who is making fun of right-wingers and ridiculous claims.

If you're the latter: hah hah! Well done! You got me!

But, just in case you happen to be the former, do you never go out and see that there are many people who don't wear a mask? Try it! Look at them! Heck... given them a stare-down, if you want. But don't get into anything violent. They are the people most directly responsible for us having the immense increase in infections and deaths we are having today because of this virus.

When I see one of them, my theory is that they are all Trump supporters. The times I've had the opportunity to test my theory, it has been confirmed. For example when I see as they get in their car. In all instances they have a Trump 2020 bumper sticker (or similar). Of course, this isn't peer-reviewed or anything. Just my personal experience.

 

Except for the more than 1 out of 5 times when it's a loss for mask wearers.

 

The folks who refuse to wear masks in public in my little town are the democrats. Affluent, educated, snobs mostly. They are the ones who refuse to wear masks around here. And not a one of them either did or will vote for trump. They mostly yearn for the old days when the plantation master...

 

Which is better than 5 out of 5 times. And just by wearing a simple mask for an hour or so a day when out in public spaces

 

I'm sure if the great Trumpian wall would keep out 78% of illegals, you'd call that a win. Would that make your feelz better?

 

Pretty sure you've already been offered research in this thread and haven't addressed it.

 

You’ve been misled. You have a 16-17% chance of infecting a household member. About a 2.5% chance of infecting someone outside the household. Seventeen percent is not “likely”. Your argument is based on a false premise. Wearing a mask in the home would have a profound effect on stopping the pandemic. You just aren’t being instructed to do so and you aren’t thinking critically enough to figure it out on your own.

 

Or maybe you should learn to read what you quote. Let me help you.,..

“The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support the widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against covid-19”11 and recommended further high quality randomised controlled trials."
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Besides that important part you "skipped", if you had kept reading a few more lines you would have seen:

"The heterogeneous and somewhat sparse primary literature described above has been inconsistently interpreted by policy makers." (and you)​

We know masks are not a protective measure for the wearer. They are a way to decrease the chances of infection to others!!!

Focus!!

 

A. They are not 100% effective. That doesn't change the fact that they ARE effective

B. Not enough people are wearing them (or were in the sun belt states)

NY has drastically reduced infection rates...and that's largely due to masks

 

It wouldn't actually.

 

This from someone who claims to wear a mask in public

 

LOL.. I was, and I did respond to it. Why do you fear responding with a citation of your own?

 

It is! If you live with somebody with Covid 19 the effects of wearing a regular cloth mask are statistically insignificant. Masks are effective in transient environments: when you go out, shopping, attending a meeting, etc. If you know they are infected, you might get some protection by both you and them wearing a mask. But what you would need to do is isolate them, try to get proper N95 masks, disinfect frequently. But to ask people to live with a mask on when they are at home "just in case" is simply beyond ridiculous because the protection you obtain is not statistically significant enough. And absolutely not realistic.

No you're not! You're not even trying to understand it. You're just cherry-picking data to find some way to avoid accepting scientific fact.

 

Yup, those people who believe in the Constitution and support law and order, they are sooooo ful of garbage. The good people are those nice antfa people

 

Especially when masks are being approved by government and forced upon the people to wear them, when those masks simply cannot filter the COVID viruses. They may as well be telling us to wear wrist bands or lacy veils, blessed by your local priest.

the only usefulness of these homemade masks, and even these masks which cannot filter viruses, is they greatly reduce the possible projection of phlegm and saliva from infected people who are coughing or sneezing. So I'm not against wearing masks in public places, I'm just against the dishonest talk claiming they can prevent people from being infected.

 

If you are wearing one of those homemade masks, or one like a surgical mask, you are no better.

Meanwhile these protesters are packed together, and most all of them are wearing useless homemade masks, or worse yet, just scarfs and handkerchiefs. and the same people calling Gohmert names, don't care that the protesters are spreading the virus all over the nation.

Hating Trump forgives people for all their harmful activities