Trump is considering Pardon for Edward Snowden!

I was under the impression that Snowden travelled to all sorts of places until he found asylum. What was the 'lie'?

The 'databases' he 'stole' are the evidense that our govt is illegally spying on us.

 

and are we the soviet union or ccp? i thought we doing it differently so we can have the moral high ground, at least thats what i've been told while grow up in US.

 

1.He's told many lies as a fugitive, but the one I was referring to was that he arrived in Hong Kong on May 20, 2013, but didn't check into the Mira Hotel until June 1st. However he told Glenn Greenwald, who interviewed him, that he checked into the Mira Hotel as soon as he arrived in Hong Kong. So, that's the lie I was referring to. Where was he for 10 days? An obvious answer comes to mind, but until we can grab this guy and interrogate him, rather than depend on friendly media interviews, we'll not get to the bottom of this.

2. What percentage of the data he stole and gave up had to do with "evidense that our govt is illegally spying on us?"

 

Its always a mistake to reward traitors. Not sure what Trump can do, without a conviction. If that coward Obama had dealt with this effectively it wouldn't be yet another thing Trump is expected to fix...

 

WOW...No wonder there are so few of Assange, Snowden, Manning type.
Not the best career choice.

 

No one has the high moral ground, it's not possible to have the high moral ground when the game is this dirty.

I was very disappointed when I read John Perkins' book about how the CIA was used to financially drain South America and other countries like Indonesia etc. They basically reduced these countries to ashes while people like the Bush family became filthy rich. But to pretend that during this period the Soviet Union was goldilocks is grossly incorrect. They offloaded millions of weapons in the third world, funded rebellion after rebellion and basically also reduced many countries globally to ashes.

Despite the rumours I'm not about black and white I'm all about the shades of grey and your video is very one sided.

 

Yes actually, South Africa was fighting a communist war in Angola, so guess my parents tax dollars were indeed used for Soviet lies, cheats, thievery and murders.

 

1. Could be a lie, could be a mistake. Worthy of investigation either way.

2. I don't know. Do you? At least some of what he got is proof our govt broke the social contract (and the law) in spying on/tracking us outside of due process on an industrial scale. Perhaps Snowden's true goal really is espionage and this is a ploy to try and skate it. That wouldn't change the fact that our govt is treating us all as, at best, fodder for corporate advertising gains, and more likely en masse as potential terrorists, which puts it at somewhere between very disturbing and extremely alarming.

So how bout a compromise- pardon Snowden for leaking about NSAspying, but condition it that if an investigation reveals he also traded strategic information to our enemies, the pardon will not cover it, and lets see what happens.

 

First, a link with more details about Snowden's Hong Kong Getaway.

Second, Snowden got away with approximately 1.7 million classified documents. Snowden took the Booz Allen Hamilton contractor job with the NSA with the express purpose gathering “evidence” of the NSA surveillance programs as he told a Hong Kong newspaper. So that contradicts his story of going through the channels and stealing secrets as a last resort.

Snowden intended espionage and to damage the United States from the very beginning. How does running to the Chinese and telling them that the US hacks Chinese computer networks square with a patriot trying to reveal NSA spying of Americans? Or that Norway shares intelligence with the US on Russia? What possible benefit to American privacy could come from that?

It's pretty clear he's a traitor who stole and gave away that classified information with the express purpose of damaging the United States. I understand the leftists on this forum supporting that, but what possible reason could someone on the right have for supporting such a dangerous traitor?

 

Because thats precisely how I would frame it if I were the surveillance state trying to keep my mass spy grid and my power base.

Who do you think Snowden sold this stuff to?

nb4 'China'- they don't need Snowden to get any of this stuff. They've already got so many backdoors into our systems they'd've laughed him out if he tried to get snything from them for it. And I'd bet they'd sell it to anyone else for the right price.

I just don't see the motive being there for Snowden to be trying to sell intel because I don't see the demand for it because we're already so compromised that any half-competent backwater intelligence agency already knows everything that Snowden could've stolen. The only people on the planet who would be interested in what he's got is The American People and we're the last folks the establishment wants to see it.

 

How Unfortunate
So now it's on both hands, Oh Lady of the Night
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... BTW - JUST Who's SIDE were YOU on in those Dazes ?



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EDWARD SNOWDEN: Good
DONALD TRUMP: The Best Alternative Available

 

Since you didn't bother to even try to factually refute anything I claimed, and instead just skipped past it to make unsupported suppositions (you don't see a motive for Snowden so..he has none?), shows that we're done. If you can't respond with something resembling some knowledge of the situation, just don't respond.

 

Better to admit that you don't understand Snowden's motivation than to post this .....

...... ridiculous nonsense.

Do you not know what a whistleblower is? If I catch you cheating at sports and I expose you must it be an intentional wish to damage your reputation rather than a wish to uphold honest sportsmanship for the good of the game?

 

so whats the point of preaching moral high ground, all that Human right, freedom etc just talk? not walk the walk , in the end we are just same as the like of soviet? if we claim we are better than them, then we should do things better than them in term of morality. or is this "the end justify the means".

 

Most of which should never have been classified - as classification was merely hiding information about nefarious Gov't activities from US citizens.

Regardless of what Snowden intended - no damage was done to the US - and his efforts uncovered massive crimes by the US Gov't against US citizens.

It quite clear that Snowden is a Hero .. and that the dangerous traitors are Gov't officials such as Clapper - et al.

 

Yep. They release the facts and those facts hurt the guilty scum that then seek to imprison those who reveal truth.

Criminals don't like being revealed. And those that support crime by our rulers don't like people like assange and snowden..

 

"I'm going to start looking at it" = "I'm going to wait and see how favorable a reaction I get from my QAnon base and decide whether it will help my campaign before making a decision"

 

The person I responded to didn't understand Snowden's motives. In so far as I understand what he actually did, I do; espionage.

Yes I know what a whistleblower is, but Snowden isn't one.

 

How do you know that?

How do you know that?

An opinion, and not a very informed one in my opinion.

 

Simple facts ...to those with an informed opinion.

That you need it explained that - and how- Classification is used to cover things up - things that shed light on questionable Gov't activities - begs the question ... How informed are you ?

Time to wake up and smell the flatus Matey ! and it ain't commin from me.

 

I'm pretty informed. I've spent many years with a clearance and I'm pretty sure I've a much greater insight into the classification process, and the type of information that's classified, than you do. Now, if you have some actual evidence of something I'm listening, but as far as evidence goes..."That you need it explained that - and how- Classification is used to cover things up - things that shed light on questionable Gov't activities - ," if that's all you've got, than you don't have anything and likely don't really know anything.

In other words, you're not informed.

 

Except no matter how hard you preach, you're not ON the moral high ground if you're faking it

 

The same side I'm on today, individual freedom - free market capitalism

 

You keep repeating "Your not informed" - but you are merely projecting your flaws onto others.

Someone who can not come up with at least on example of classifying information which if released might be embarrassing to the Gov't - or reveal crimes - and for many non legitimate reasons to hide this information from the US public - is uninformed.

How many examples would you like ? NSA - en masse spying program - Declassified Defense Intelligence Agency documents - revealing that the Obama Admin was informed that the proxy army it wanted to arm - and did arm, support, supply - was radical Islamist Jihadists - Al Qaeda and other spawn of the same ilk.

Video footage from Wiki - our brave soldiers gunning down civilians from a helicopter. - and anything else negative they can cover up w/r to foreign policy.

Someone who is not able to come up with one example - is simply not informed.

Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person. " https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/projection